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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by diggan »

queuebert wrote: post #27
Daunk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.

Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

> The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

As always, it depends on what the user uses the computer for. Not everyone can run Windows full-time, as some applications don't work on Linux. I am a full-time Linux user for decades at this point, yet I still use applications that only run on Windows and are too latency sensitive to run well through a VM (and don't work at all via Wine).

Maybe though, these applications could get some love if there was a PR campaign for people to move to Linux...

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by wpm »

beart wrote: post #43
queuebert wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

In my experience, it is not about functionality. It is about polish, integrations, and troubleshooting. If you assume all your devices and software will work on Linux mint out of the box, great. But they won't. Then you end up spending hours trying to get the 5th mouse button to do what it does automatically in Windows. Sure there's a fancy utility on Linux that supports programming that mouse, good luck getting your…

That’s if you can even connect to the internet!

Have an older device? It maybe didn’t come with WiFi, or came with an older card you replaced with a better one. Better hope the distro and version of that distro you picked has a kernel with drivers already baked in!

Otherwise it’s off to some random git following some random “download this source” and oh wait I’m not connected to the Internet.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by p_ing »

bayindirh wrote: post #46
gruez wrote: post #8

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What are some examples of DRM that uses TPM? What does TPM provide that stuff like SGX (which is already used in DRM) doesn't provide?

IIRC widewine requires TPM for highest quality (level1)?

Widevine Level 1 requires a Trusted Execution Environment. Nothing to do with TPM.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by xmodem »

mrweasel wrote: post #31
mkopec wrote: post #12

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> Does TPM support/requirements actually have any meaningful impact on a home user? Disk encryption, Windows Hello and PIN bruteforce prevention. I have no love Microsoft and avoid using Windows whenever I can, but I think making those features accessible to more people is a good thing.

I was under the impression that Bitlocker wasn't available on Windows Home? If you have an older computer, without TPM 1.2/2.0, then you already don't things like Windows Hello, but you might have secure boot and some brute force prevention, so you wouldn't be worse of as a home user if Microsoft allowed you to run Windows 11. For new computers I can completely understand that Microsoft would demand that vendors ship…

As of Windows 11, you can use Bitlocker on Windows Home.

(Personally I think you probably shouldn't bother with it unless you set a boot PIN, which still requires Pro to be allowed to change the right group policy settings.)

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by wpm »

p_ing wrote: post #45
techjamie wrote: post #28

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> The purpose is to prevent users from running unauthorized software on the computers they allegedly own. I've maintained for several years now that the actual corporate wet dream is that they can lock down the average PC architecture/OS to the same degree they have on phones. Because unfortunately, in the phone sector, the market has already shown the majority of users don't care who really owns their devices. My ho…

Buy a Mac. You'll see that corporate dream come a reality. Immutable OS partition. Security prompts that can no longer be bypassed. Binary signing requirement. It just keeps getting worse and worse, for a power user. May be "certified UNIX" (when you look at it funny), but it feels like no freedom-loving UNIX-style system I've ever used.

You can turn all that off if you wanted to. OpenCore Legacy Patcher will build you a kernel with the SIP flag mask set to 0xFF, ie, completely disabled.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by p_ing »

queuebert wrote: post #27
Daunk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.

Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

Linux is in desperate need of a stable ABI that isn't Win32 as well as a stable, unified Window Server.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by p_ing »

bArray wrote: post #39
_7acn wrote: post #30

If I have TPM disabled in the BIOS, is there any point in not enabling it and using a bypass to install Windows 11? I’m wondering if there’s any scenario where keeping TPM disabled might seem like a good idea?

Just to name a few... Operational reasons: * You often replace hardware and move disks, etc, around * The TPM is not compatible with hardware that you have: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trusted_Platform_Module * You have a TPM that is too old: https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-uk/000132583/dell-syst... * Your TPM is damaged Security reasons: * For some reason the TPM is actually seriously compromised itself (…

> for example DRM or it snoops on you

Stop spreading FUD.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by MiddleEndian »

Daunk wrote: post #25
Alifatisk wrote: post #9

The requirements for Windows 11 has really put computers with older hardware in a difficult spot. They are used to Windows so they want to stay there, I want to suggest Linux Mint but I am not aware of how much of the apps used daily is supported in Linux. Not every user want to fiddle with the terminal.

I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.

A friend of mine also uses Linux Mint of his own volition. Smart but not a tech enthusiast, he's also never touched the command line.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by p_ing »

mrweasel wrote: post #50
p_ing wrote: post #21

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VBS also requires it, which is a big improvement to Windows' security. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...

But Hyper-V is also a Windows 11 Pro feature (I get that it can be enabled on Home).

That isn't the virtualization VBS is referring to. Hyper-V is a separate feature from VBS. More context:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/virtualization/virt...

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