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They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

aa-jv wrote: post #202
labster wrote: post #141

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Nah, cynicism is the only rational reaction now. Lots of people died from covid and our poor government response, but Trump got a majority because eggs are too expensive.

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> Trump got a majority because the prior majority political party was literally participating in genocide, which was on display for the entire world to see.

Is the argument here that people vote based on what the prior party was up to, while completely ignoring whether the new party will do less or more of the same action?

Because that's really depressing if it's true.

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Post by StefanBatory »

crooked-v wrote: post #4
antigeox wrote: post #3

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Yes, it's good to be careful to not label as people as fascists unless they do things like, for example, literally do the Nazi salute while publicly addressing a crowd.

https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-...

You have some known historians who openly say that Trump fits the criteria for fascism. Republican party? Not really. Trump? Yes.

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Post by helpfulContrib »

eigart wrote: post #219
aa-jv wrote: post #202

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Seeing your posts hours after Trump launched a plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza is quite the sight. You’re like the black knight from Monty python. Edit: I welcome the pushback on this post. The message I meant to convey is that of two evils. Yelling at the losing candidate does nothing for Gaza. It alienates even people who care (but I’m not perfect). I apologize for the divisive nature of my post.

Anyone who had hope that Trump would avert the catastrophe was clearly ignorant of the facts of his subservience to the greater Israel plan.

Meanwhile, while Palestinians are eating cats, we are free to refer to Monty Python all we like.

Just don't mention the war.

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Post by mandmandam »

eigart wrote: post #219
aa-jv wrote: post #202

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Seeing your posts hours after Trump launched a plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza is quite the sight. You’re like the black knight from Monty python. Edit: I welcome the pushback on this post. The message I meant to convey is that of two evils. Yelling at the losing candidate does nothing for Gaza. It alienates even people who care (but I’m not perfect). I apologize for the divisive nature of my post.

> Seeing your posts hours after Trump launched a plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza is quite the sight.

Biden provided the bombs and the diplomatic cover that allowed Israel to decimate Gaza's population, permanently damaging entire generations, reducing the most densely populated areas on Earth to smoking rubble, and explicitly supported Netanyahu's ethnic cleansing plans. He basically alley-ooped this scenario to Trump.

> You’re like the black knight from Monty python.

Sheer projection.

Democrats lost because they supported genocide [0], [1]. They tried to court Republican women instead of their own base, trotting out people like Dick fucking Cheney [2] (after removing any mention of stopping torturing people from their platform).

When over 30% of Biden 2020 voters told pollsters they felt so strongly about an arms embargo that it could affect their vote, and Harris responded by saying she would keep sending bombs "no matter what", she lost. The win could have been a landslide, and Dems chose to tell their base to eat shit instead.

0 - https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

1 - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/11/opinion/kamala-harris-you...

2 - https://www.yahoo.com/news/dick-cheney-groundbreaking-endors...

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Post by CalRobert »

ok_dad wrote: post #171
CalRobert wrote: post #122

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Unfortunately, one key difference is that Britain didn't have a leader who wanted to expand their territory. Europe is already weak, economically and militarily. I don't know how long our votes will matter when we have a belligerent and powerful neighbour.

Ask Hawaii what happened when a bunch of businessmen wanted more profits and less government oversight! Back then it was Dole (the PERSON) and sugarcane companies, today it is auto manufacturers and probably access to the northern sea route that is rapidly becoming de-iced and relevant for shipping to bypass the Panama Canal. Canada better take this threat seriously and treat the USA, at the very least, like a neighb…

Oh I know, I think Elon wants nothing less than to be emperor of the world.

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Post by xienze »

labster wrote: post #141
ookblah wrote: post #134

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i don't even want to give people that benefit at this point. used to think that it was education, circumstances, outside forces, culture, etc. like "if only" we had XYZ then we can prevent this. at this point i just want to call it "stupidity". not even a left vs right thing. there exists a subset of the population that cannot and will not be educated or have the ability to reason on a certain level to make things wo…

Nah, cynicism is the only rational reaction now. Lots of people died from covid and our poor government response, but Trump got a majority because eggs are too expensive.

> but Trump got a majority because eggs are too expensive.

You guys need to stop being so disingenuous (and get some new material). EVERYTHING got a lot more expensive under the previous administration. Whether it’s Biden’s fault or not is irrelevant. A poor economy motivates people to vote for the other party, ESPECIALLY when the average person felt they had better economic prospects when “the other team” was in power (again, whether that was Trump’s doing or not is irrelevant).

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Post by throw310822 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #193
throw310822 wrote: post #80

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Notice that this benevolence and protection by the media is granted to Musk (and Trump) by their complete subservience to Israel's demands and wants. Trump just proposed ethnic cleansing the Gaza Strip and cleaning up the rubble with American money and work so it can be handed over to Israel in a nice shape.

As much as I hate the Nazis at the top of Israel's government and Western complicity in the ethnic cleansing occurring in Gaza (and more recently the West Bank too), I find your statement disturbing. Not everything is related to Israel, and there's no good reason to believe that this has anything to do with Israel. French media were pretty critical of Joe Bidden being too old for the job, despite Bidden giving Netany…

> Not everything is related to Israel, and there's no good reason to believe that this has anything to do with Israel

Netanyahu himself tweeted in support of Elon Musk after his nazi-like salute. This is obviously about Israel.

> it's quite clear now that you're confusing the fight for the freedom of Palestinians and the hatred of Jews

I didn't mention Jews, you are the one confusing Jews and Israel. There are many Jews who are vehement opponents of Israel's nazi government and are denouncing it and its influence on American politics anywhere they can.

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Post by imacomputertoo »

nirui wrote: post #145
pagutierrezn wrote: post #19

To make matters worse, this is not only "rehappening" in the US. It's global

As I understand it, this wave of US policy change is inspired by a combination of white supremacy and US exceptionalism. But rest of the world is effected by few different things, for example, xenophobia in the case of EU and UK, expansionism in Russia, zionism in Israel, nationalism in China (and Japan, really) etc. It looked the same if you stand far, but they're all different, so I wouldn't call it "global". There…

The right wing of the US is not driven by white supremacy. It's driven by a belief in a variety of mostly false grievances, about immigration, the economy, the wealth gap, etc. Those bogus beliefs are held by white and non white people.

Consider that Trump won almost 50% of Latino male voters. As a percentage of the vote, Trump did better with racial minorities and women in 2024 than 2020, and much better compared to 2016.

White supremacy is real and it has some effect in US politics, but it's not a driving force anymore. I say this as someone who has lived both in and outside the US. The outside perspective is not always better. Germans may be seeing the US through the lens of their own history.

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Post by girvo »

smaudet wrote: post #60
BytesAndGears wrote: post #27

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I see your point, however, in this case the democrats and republicans are part of the same entity. I am suggesting that the politicians’ interests are somewhat aligned, in regard to grabbing power. Their techniques are different, but the outcome is that we become more normalized to the behavior of “being ruled”, bit by bit. Don’t forget the right-leaning protests in 2020 over democratic governors telling people they…

An actuall global event that killed hundreds of millions of individuals is a very different thing than what Musk is doing, without any such precipitation... I do not agree that firing should have been on the table, however this is not an Apples and Oranges situation...

I completely agree with your point, but it’s hundreds of millions of cases and ~10 million deaths I thought
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