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They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #38
pagutierrezn wrote: post #19

To make matters worse, this is not only "rehappening" in the US. It's global

I'm curious if what is happening in the US and what has happened in Britain with Brexit actually ends up slowing some of these marches towards illiberalism in other places. Like when people are upset at the direction of a country or current policies, they may take a "throw the bums out" attitude even if the alternative is far worse. But perhaps they're looking at the complete shit show in the US and how unproductive…

In the UK, the political party (which is a actually a privately owned company) owned by the guy who drove the initial wave of Brexit is apparently topping the polls now.

The only policy they talk about is getting rid of all the immigrants because that's what caused all the problems, not decades of right wing government culminating in Brexit.

But underdeath that is the usual US-style Turbo capitalism stuff like destroying the NHS and handing it over to American corporations.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by CalRobert »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #38
pagutierrezn wrote: post #19

To make matters worse, this is not only "rehappening" in the US. It's global

I'm curious if what is happening in the US and what has happened in Britain with Brexit actually ends up slowing some of these marches towards illiberalism in other places. Like when people are upset at the direction of a country or current policies, they may take a "throw the bums out" attitude even if the alternative is far worse. But perhaps they're looking at the complete shit show in the US and how unproductive…

Unfortunately, one key difference is that Britain didn't have a leader who wanted to expand their territory.

Europe is already weak, economically and militarily. I don't know how long our votes will matter when we have a belligerent and powerful neighbour.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by etchalon »

asdasdsddd wrote: post #117
etchalon wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not shutting down agencies to relinquish governmental power. He's shutting them down to strengthen his own power.

What power has he gained.

He's apparently gained the power to arbitrarily shut down federal agencies, for one.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by gtsop »

_kava wrote: post #78
kzrdude wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are protests planned for today (Wednesday) across the US

Honestly, what would these protests do? Serious question. Let say you manage to achieve the unthinkable and bring a huge amount of people on the street, heck let say you are so successful that you also get a full on national strike going, what then? Do you think it would affect those in charge right now? He would not care. He is already ruining the US economy and alliances. Why would he care if some people he does no…

The purpose of a protest in general should not be to affect the people in power, it should be for enpowering and bonding the people to further enact post-protest. A moralle boost, a conversation starter, an ignition to call more people to action. Having sayd that, a very successfull protest does affect the upper ones, only temprorarily and tactically. A policy maker will still want to make X move, but ever so slightly delay it or figure out a differnt narrative to bring it back some time later.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by labster »

mjfl wrote: post #101
aqueueaqueue wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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deeply ironic

COIN sucks, civilians get killed, the closest thing to a fortress in modern warfare is a city. The US has a better record than most in protecting civilians but it’s impossible to save everyone.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by maeln »

subsistence234 wrote: post #116
palmotea wrote: post #94

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> sure, making the government smaller is basically the same as putting the government in control of everything. Come on. A "hostile takeover and dismantling of our democracy" is completely orthogonal to the size of government, before or after the takeover.

How do you clean up a corrupt organization?

Surely not by appointing other oligarch and cronies at high position of said organization.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by lelanthran »

a_puppy wrote: post #32
BytesAndGears wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: thanks for all of the replies, I’m questioning my framing here now due to some smart people’s thoughts.. I suggest reading the full thread, as there are some interesting comments. I see the obvious parallels to Trump, and I agree completely (and hate that it is happening). But I feel like I also see a lot of parallels to the democrats. Deciding Kamala would be the candidate without any public vote, for example.…

Rather than thinking in terms of "left vs. right", I think in terms of "extreme left vs. moderate left vs. moderate right vs. extreme right". I support moderates over extremists. I support democracy and rule of law. I care about this more than I care about left vs. right.

> Rather than thinking in terms of "left vs. right", I think in terms of "extreme left vs. moderate left vs. moderate right vs. extreme right". I support moderates over extremists. I support democracy and rule of law. I care about this more than I care about left vs. right.

This is a great position. I wish more people adopted it.

The problem I have seen over the past few years is that those who are on the extremes are not aware that they are on the fringe. They believe that their ideology is widely shared and common amongst everyone.

Re: They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (1955)

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Post by labster »

mjfl wrote: post #102
labster wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not moral panic, it’s because Trump is reducing legitimacy and stability of the government. Killing foreign civilians is normal, locking everyone out of a government job with zero notice is not.

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Bro you’ve already been flagkilled above for personal attacks, and you’re still at it
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