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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by gf000 »

bmitc wrote: post #636
canucker2016 wrote: post #413

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Blame the telcos for the relative poor quality of text message multimedia (via MMS). The telcos specify the size limits of MMS messages. iMessage has much higher limits in most cases, so iPhone has to use reduce the quality of the pics/videos to reach the lower size limits for sending to non-iMessage recipients. For the telcos, why would they upgrade their size limits for MMS - it's just a cost centre for them. They…

It's not the telcos. My family can't send my Android phone a text because Apple intercepts it and sends it as an iMessage instead.

That's a very malicious way to put it, and you could easily google how to "deregister" your previous apple phone's number.

Also, your family has total control on how to send it, they should just long-press the send button and choose to send as SMS.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by gf000 »

pishpash wrote: post #634
caycep wrote: post #457

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its not like I'm feeling super free of lock in when I'm using FB invites, partiful, or evite.

Does this have an Android app? Because the other ones do.

Yes, you can accept/decline invitations on any platform.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by [deleted] »

lloeki wrote: post #724
viraptor wrote: post #688

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You can switch. But now you also need to convince a random person that they should switch, because you can't easily use what they're using. And you may be the only one out of 10 people in the group complaining about it. Instead of their technical problem, Apple can make it a "you" social problem.

Still valid for: s/Apple Invites/Meta Messenger groups/ s/Apple Invites/Facebook events/ s/Apple Invites/WhatsApp groups/ s/Apple Invites/Telegram groups s/Apple Invites/doodle.com/ These are the things people use around here to organise events. Four of those require a persistent account and an app, three of those are Meta for which I'm the loner yelling that I won't touch them with a 10 yard pole and a hazmat suit.…

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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by satvikpendem »

wrfrmers wrote: post #403
pkamb wrote: post #377

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In the USA, someone insisting on using an Android when everyone else in their social circle has an iPhone (and they do!) is what's seen as anti-social. No one wants to use the degraded green bubble SMS experience so they simply exclude the Android user and continue using blue bubble iMessage.

I'll do you one better: in this specific situation, the antisocial buck stops at the friend group who doesn't all chip in and buy their Android friend a "keep in touch" iPhone. But the point remains that a cynical UX/technical/business decision that does not need to be so is rending real relationships between actual people. If Tim Cook had the power to render anyone who didn't pay him $400+ mute to their friends and…

I bought an Android specifically so I don't have to use an iPhone, speaking as a former iPhone user. "Friends" chipping in to buy me an iPhone isn't something I'd actually want.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by sgt »

d0mine wrote: post #719
minton wrote: post #660

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It literally says, “...anyone can RSVP, regardless of whether they have an Apple Account or Apple device.”

[ignore, I've misread] ~~In that case, you must have iCloud+ subscription~~

I tried this and RSVP'd with an email that didn't have an Apple account, and it asked me to created an Apple account.

I originally created the event using my own Apple account which definitely has iCloud+. So how do I create an event that someone without an Apple account can RSVP to?

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Hackbraten »

bolognafairy wrote: post #481
Hackbraten wrote: post #464

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WhatsApp absolutely has hardware lock-in. You need to be an Apple or Google customer to use it, and you need at least one Android or iOS phone.

Yeah, well, you need a computer to go on the internet! Where’s the freedom there!? /s

Your comment is missing the point.

Even if you do have a smartphone, you might be running some flavor of Linux on it. Or maybe Google terminated your account due to some false positive.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by sgt »

probably_wrong wrote: post #96
openchampagne wrote: post #45

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“iCloud+ subscribers can create invitations, and anyone can RSVP, regardless of whether they have an Apple Account or Apple device” & When I create an Event in the app i see the ability to share via a Public Link, Mail, & Messages

RSVPing is clearly accessible to everyone, but how about all the other features? Namely, the "integration with Maps and Weather" and "contribute to Shared Albums". I already know I can only contribute to the "curated event soundtrack" if I have an Apple Music subscription, but those other ones are still unclear.

I created an event and it doesn't seem like anyone can RSVP unless they have an Apple account. They can easily create one but still, that's one more step.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by giorgioz »

cleverwebble wrote: post #51

I'm in my mid-thirties and most of my friends have ditched Facebook. I didn't really realize this until when I used it to create an event for a house party... I was somewhat surprised that only 2 people out of 15 even saw it. I ended up resorting to good old text message and that worked, but it was tedious. Not sure how popular this will become, but having a social-media-less event invite/broadcasting system would be…

Yes, I was also a big Facebook user in my twenties and now I'm in my mid-thirties and it seems Facebook became a lot less useful for this decade of my life. For the birthdays of children in my social surroundings it seems the best practice has become to create an image with the details of the birthday party. Usually a photo of the birthday child with written Alice is turning 3. Join us for an afternoon of fun at Address on Saturday 16:00. Usually shared on Whatsapp either in direct messages or in an existing school group if you are inviting the whole class or in ad-hoc group created for the event literally called Alice Birthday Party

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by sbuk »

satvikpendem wrote: post #729
lloeki wrote: post #728

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> the entire conversation falls back to SMS > it is in Apple's interest to make it a social change rather than just a technological limitation. It is a technical requirement? How would non-iMessage users respond to the whole group including the ones on iMessage ? When you sit for 5min and think about the whole flow across a bunch of message exchanges every other way there's really no other technical solution than dow…

RCS is not a downgrade, it can also be E2E encrypted but Apple's implementation doesn't use it. It is entirely a business decision to not support the full capabilities of RCS as the iMessage sender system.

The only implementation of E2E RCS is Google's Jibe, which is a proprietary, non-standard version. There is no mention of encryption in the spec other than to say that it's up to carriers to determine. Apple, in contrast to Google's proprietary approach, has offered to work with carriers and the GSMA to define a common set of standards for encryption.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by TeMPOraL »

brailsafe wrote: post #614
somethingsidont wrote: post #600

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"With Apple Invites, users can create and easily share invitations, RSVP, contribute to Shared Albums, and engage with Apple Music playlists." Correct me if I'm wrong: - create & share invitations: must have iCloud+ - iCloud shared albums: barebones upload/download on non-Apple devices - apple music: cross-platform, must be subscribed - RSVP: cross-platform (Apple account req'd) So yes, it "works" outside the Apple e…

The only problem I have with this, as an android user, is that there's probably no API available for someone to build an integration for other platforms if the market was there. I don't expect Apple to go and create cross platform clients for every service they put out, they're not a service first company, they're an Apple service first company.

That's a big problem though. They're targeting a class of use cases currently covered by iCalendar family of open protocols[0] and handled by every calendar and e-mail app there is. Because of their narrowed focus on features most relevant to individuals, families and groups of friends, they'll be able to deliver a superior experience there for people on their platform - and they have both enough users and the correct placement in the "tech stack" (unlike e.g. Facebook/Meta or other social platforms, that already tried and failed to pull it off) to break universality of iCal for everyone else.

If this sticks, it won't only screw you or me over as Android users with Apple users in our friends groups. This will quickly bubble up from friend gatherings to community groups and local services businesses. At some point, you'll find that your kids' kindergarten or your stylist or even your doctor starts sending you Apple Invites instead of e-mail invites (.ics), because the Apple variant also comes with a shared photo album. It's actually surprising when you notice just how many appointments could use a shared photo and/or document collection directly linked to them - that part is actually a good idea from Apple. It's just sad that they're weaponizing it instead of improving what already works for everyone.

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[0] - https://icalendar.org/RFC-Specifications/all/

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