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Re: Apple Invites

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There are ways to send iMessages programmatically. Apple does check for spam, but it’s not foolproof. And of course, it won’t help you against a targeted attack.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/118246

How exactly does any of this prevent people from sending spam to you?

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Looks neat, but I won't use it or recommend it to anyone because it's built with Flutter. I understand your reasons for choosing it, but that does not change that Flutter apps feel completely _wrong_ on any platform except Android, but most especially on iOS/macOS and the web. (This is unsurprising because Flutter is essentially a modern day implementation of Swing complete with personalities, and it's just as incorr…

What a dumb take gioazzi, great work! Keep making apps that are useful and fun for you. I will definitely recommend your app with my friends

You’re welcome to think that, but it's not a dumb take — it is an aesthetic and technical take (you know, de gustibus non est disputandum).

My attention is valuable (at least to me and those around me), and I choose not to waste that attention on applications that are built with a framework that quite deliberately disrespects the platforms I choose while presenting a badly drawn version of the thinnest layer.

On macOS and iOS, Flutter pretends to conform to platform standards, but it does so very badly (I can always tell if I'm using a Flutter app; it's just off…and my battery life suffers because Flutter is such a bad citizen). Honestly, I probably wouldn't hate Flutter on iOS if it didn't pretend to conform to iOS standards while missing the mark (just like every Google app misses the mark on what an iOS app should look like; it's just wrong).

On the web, Flutter is even worse by pretending that there's only one HTML tag, , and throwing away _all_ of the rest of HTML to do everything else that HTML does, but worse and less accessibly. That, ultimately, is unforgivable and a waste of everyone's time.

Regardless of how useful gioazzi's project may be, the technical choices made put it well outside of the boundaries where I am comfortable recommending its use to anyone — and that's fine. I posted a similar take about someone who did a Show HN about a project they made which required a Google login; I was interested in seeing what they had done until I saw that requirement. That technical choice, while a valid one, put it well outside of my "I will try this thing at all" zone.

I shared this stance because I know I’m not alone, and people need to know if their architectural choices put them outside of the market they are targeting. I might or might not be in their market, but it's still a useful thing to know that there's this one asshole in Toronto who won't use it because they took the "easy" way out for pseudo-cross-platform support. (I do not have the same reaction to React Native, but that's because it ultimately doesn't try to emulate the platform.)

Re: Apple Invites

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"With Apple Invites, users can create and easily share invitations, RSVP, contribute to Shared Albums, and engage with Apple Music playlists." Correct me if I'm wrong: - create & share invitations: must have iCloud+ - iCloud shared albums: barebones upload/download on non-Apple devices - apple music: cross-platform, must be subscribed - RSVP: cross-platform (Apple account req'd) So yes, it "works" outside the Apple e…

It literally says, “...anyone can RSVP, regardless of whether they have an Apple Account or Apple device.”

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Re: Apple Invites

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Fortunately you don't need everyone to be on iOS to reply. So you can send your Android using friends invited and they'll just get a weblink.

It still requires people to read a text message. It may as well be delivered via carrier pigeon outside the US.

iMessage/SMS is just one of the many sending options in the share sheet. WhatsApp or whatever your country uses will be there too.

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My wife is in a position (board chair for a co-op) that results in her sending out a lot of invites to events. Evite has kinda been the go-to in her social/co-op group for ages, but man it suuuuuuucks these days. Ads everywhere, annoying patterns, and lacks a bunch of nice features that this seems to have. Very happy to see this

Nothing beats https://www.when2meet.com/ I've used it for so much community organizing. It's such a simple tool and nobody has to make an account. You put in your name and an (optional) password. The optional password feature has served as a source of inspiration in my own projects. It pushed me to consider "does this really need an account? Can it be done without one?"

looks awful on mobile. i do appreciate that it’s very accessible though.

Re: Apple Invites

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> There's no trick as far as I can tell. I think that is the trick. 99 cents is so innocuous, that people set up billing to allow it. People who set up their apple id without a credit card will probably attach a card to their account to get the 99 cent storage "deal". At that point, upgrading to the next tier is inevitable as phones have been steadily increasing in storage capacity. I think it would be nicer if your…

I think that nearly everyone who has an iPhone (at least who didn't get their phone deeply discounted second-hand) has a payment method set up with Apple. I don't remember the numbers from when I had to know ~5 years ago, but it was in excess of 95% in the US.

"with this one trick, you can get everyone to register a credit card!"

:)

Re: Apple Invites

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Just a tip but sometimes it’s good to read the article before commenting. The app allows iPhone users to create an event. Anybody on any device or browser can RSVP. The event can be shared as a link. Making an event invite app that only works for users on one platform would be pointless. Also - non-Apple users have been able to join FaceTime calls via. A link for several years.

There is no indication they haven't read the article. This product, much like iMessage and others, provides an inferior experience to non-Apple users. It aims to make other devices and operating systems look less capable and cheap. iMessage also partially works with other phones. This doesn't change the fact that its intention is to create a lock-in effect, as evidenced by internal Apple emails.

How so? It just sends a link either in a message or email. Acceptance is done via a web page. How do online invitations ensure vendor lock in? What will prevent me from using another online invite system in the future? I’ve used a bunch in past like evite, paperless post and the cost to switch is nothing.

Re: Apple Invites

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the experience from the opposite side is the relevant part here. I recall the many years I was sent iMessages but unable to remove my phone number so that I could receive sms messages on my new android phone. The user experience from iOS phones sending me messages I would never receive was "great".

Over those many years you didn’t bother to google that you can just turn it off online? https://support.apple.com/en-ca/102455

It was extremely difficult to disable for a long time before it was made easy to turn it off on a website.

Re: Apple Invites

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I was actually pretty excited about this until so read it was iCloud+ only. I think it is maybe a long-term strategic mistake to lock this behind iCloud+ and also a bad omen for the direction Apple is going in. In the past this would have been a free app. If Apple did not lock this behind iCloud+ I think it would have quickly become a standard for a lot of users and been another feather in Apple’s cap of why a user m…

Before I saw it was iCloud+ only, I thought it was a sort-of clever way to get people even more locked into the ecosystem. I assumed that the shared photos would add to people's reliance on iCloud, and get some to upgrade to higher tiers to fit all their photos. I was quite surprised to learn it wasn't free. I had heard about this "sherlocking" on Twitter but hadn't read the details. I can't think of a time when Appl…

I think they may have locked it behind iCloud+ because one of the big features it offers is a shared photo album, which of course utilizes iCloud. Anyone without iCloud+ is essentially going to be unable to use that feature. And yeah...it also pushes people into paying for iCloud+, though you can get on the $1/mo plan in order to access this, so it's not like it's very expensive.

Re: Apple Invites

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I don't see how this competes with partiful. Feels like it'll be another half baked never updated app from apple. I wish they'd open their apis and integrations more. Feels silly that these apps get first class access to apple apis, meanwhile better made apps are forced to do weird workarounds, or simply have no integrations.

partiful is destined for the trash like meetup, evite, etc. Once they need to actually make money, they’ll ruin the platform. 100% guaranteed.

it’s a great platform for the moment, enjoy it while it lasts.

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