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Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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I think Newell has misjudged why Linux hasn't taken off as a personal computing platform. Sure, the lack of games doesn't help, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

sure, most of my friends are CS majors, but if they aren't linux users already, the reason they always cite is the lack of support for games. What else is there for an end user?

CS majors make up a rather small percentage of all PC users. What is your point exactly?

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the problem is that the Microsoft store will be the only way to get software on Windows 8 Rt. Microsoft is essentially pulling an Apple and there is no way that is a net benefit for Valve or the community in general. There are other problems with Windows 8, but I think the closed ARM version is a really big one.

Yeah but, Windows 8 itself is a train wreck. Seriously, who is going to upgrade to it? It's too different. Nobody is going to go out of their way to buy it, the only installs it will get is as OEM's on new hardware. And I bet even the OEMs will offer Windows 7 for as long as they can. I think if users _have_ to have something different they will seriously consider OSX and Linux. One is more polished on better hardwar…

> I think if users _have_ to have something different they will seriously consider OSX and Linux. One is more polished on better hardware for people who have money and want the best. The other is free for people who don't care.

I use Linux and I care, probably too much, about it.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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So...Steam is a closed platform as well. We have a game on Steam, and I can tell you that the sales on the Steam platform are much better than the other open ones. One of the reasons for this is the big user base, but the closed nature of the platform is also a large factor. Kinda seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

Steam isn't the platform that the games run on. Windows is. Steam is a distribution platform. There is no reason you can't use other distribution methods on the same computer and the same OS installation.

Also, in the article I don't think Gabe Newell ever says that the problem with Windows is that it is closed per se. It's not as though he fails to realize that Steam is not open source software.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of windows-only apps in the business world.

There are also a lot of apple-only apps in the business world. And how many business apps are being built for windows right now, compared to the number that are being built of iOS and osX right now? I guess that the latter has much more activity...

I think the latter has a lot more visibility, at least.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but, Windows 8 itself is a train wreck. Seriously, who is going to upgrade to it? It's too different. Nobody is going to go out of their way to buy it, the only installs it will get is as OEM's on new hardware. And I bet even the OEMs will offer Windows 7 for as long as they can. I think if users _have_ to have something different they will seriously consider OSX and Linux. One is more polished on better hardwar…

>One is more polished on better hardware for people who have the money and want the best. Is this at all true? If you spent an identical sum of money on a PC would you not get better hardware?

It just doesn't exit. I've been shopping to a windows laptop for ages and really nothing is as good as what apple is offering.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but, Windows 8 itself is a train wreck. Seriously, who is going to upgrade to it? It's too different. Nobody is going to go out of their way to buy it, the only installs it will get is as OEM's on new hardware. And I bet even the OEMs will offer Windows 7 for as long as they can. I think if users _have_ to have something different they will seriously consider OSX and Linux. One is more polished on better hardwar…

> I think if users _have_ to have something different they will seriously consider OSX and Linux. One is more polished on better hardware for people who have money and want the best. The other is free for people who don't care. I use Linux and I care, probably too much, about it.

I would love to take the plunge but need photoshop. Gimp is a long way behind.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#27

I think Newell has misjudged why Linux hasn't taken off as a personal computing platform. Sure, the lack of games doesn't help, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

I would personally say that gaming is a giant chunk of the iceberg. Others (for me) would be video editing, and music production. Oh, and testing sites in Internet Explorer.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#28
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also a lot of apple-only apps in the business world. And how many business apps are being built for windows right now, compared to the number that are being built of iOS and osX right now? I guess that the latter has much more activity...

I think the latter has a lot more visibility, at least.

I'm sure there are a lot of custom and legacy business apps out there tied to windows. But thinking of broad categories of business software (Office/productivity, browser, IDE, graphics editing, accounting, contact management), there are lots of alternatives that will run on a non-Windows PC. But looking at games as a category, you don't have comparable options on Mac or Linux.

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#29
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, most of my friends are CS majors, but if they aren't linux users already, the reason they always cite is the lack of support for games. What else is there for an end user?

CS majors make up a rather small percentage of all PC users. What is your point exactly?

I think the point is even stronger because they are CS majors. These are people who develop software, and use their computer for many more purposes than the average user. If gaming is the only barrier for a CS major, then what's stopping the average user from switching to Linux?

Re: Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux

#30
post #9

I think Newell has misjudged why Linux hasn't taken off as a personal computing platform. Sure, the lack of games doesn't help, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

sure, most of my friends are CS majors, but if they aren't linux users already, the reason they always cite is the lack of support for games. What else is there for an end user?

A decent window manager.
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