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Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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TPM is used for BitLocker.

Which not everybody uses or has even heard of.

There's a fun thing Windows has started doing where if you sign in with your Microsoft account (instead of an increasingly hard to create local account), Bitlocker is silently set up on your behalf and you don't know until something changes with your system configuration

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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install linux, get vmware pro for free and install win 11 in a VM. VMWare emulates TPM so it will run like a charm. Only thing you need is 8Gigs or so extra ram. plus you have the benefits of running windows in a VM. No backup problems, snapshot funcionality, etc etc. works absolute fine for me

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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I'm surprised that anyone is upgrading older hardware to Windows 11 in the first place. It's shocking how many performance issues I've come across. Explorer bogs regularly. I can't game and stream a video anymore due to some rendering change that was made in Win 11 (I forget the details).

File explorer take 2 seconds to load for me, FILE EXPLORER! It should be milliseconds. Microsoft engineers are asleep at the wheel. Edit: This is on a brand-new workstation BTW

just buy a new PC

one that just happens to come with another windows license...

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.

Lol! Of course there's an ulterior motive here! It's Microsoft! (and Intel, the age old Wintel duopoly)

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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post #42

install linux, get vmware pro for free and install win 11 in a VM. VMWare emulates TPM so it will run like a charm. Only thing you need is 8Gigs or so extra ram. plus you have the benefits of running windows in a VM. No backup problems, snapshot funcionality, etc etc. works absolute fine for me

Does VS studio work fine too?

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old is your PC? My 10 years old laptop has a TPM built into the CPU (Intel PTT), which Windows 11 is perfectly happy about once I figured out how to enable it in the boot options.

What's your CPU? My math may be wrong, but the minimum Intel CPU supported is 8th gen, which started coming out about 8 years ago.

+1 to being really really sceptical of anyone claiming to have a 10 year old system that supports it. Skylake is literally well known for not supporting TPM 2.0 and the i7-6700K is still considered reasonably high end by todays standards (tech hasn't moved fast in the past decade and the 14nm Skylakes aren't that far off the 14nm+++++ high end variants Intel sells today).

The first draft of TPM 2.0 was 2015. The finalized version was Nov 2019. Intel 8th gen and above do have the option to upgrade to TPM 2.0 via a firmware update but as you point out those CPUs are not 10 years old.

That's one of the problems with this TPM 2.0 requirement. Tech has not moved fast in the past decade and the requirement is asking people to throw away 10 year old systems that can still easily beat today's midrange lineup.

I think what OP may be experiencing is that Windows 11 does install on older TPM 1.x hardware. It just nags to upgrade the hardware to TPM 2.0.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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I built my own PC years ago and it came without a tpm so I can't upgrade. The motherboard does have the plug for a tpm so I bought a cheap one and tried plugging it in. Windows still doesn't recognize it. I did my best but the obsoleting Microsoft is doing here is heavy handed

Mine I built in 2020 with an R9 3900_ and it was able to upgrade by enabling a fTMP.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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post #11

As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.

One explanation is that Microsoft is a collection of teams with different objectives. I suppose the security people would like something better than TPM to compete with Apple’s hardware security. OEM contacts will plead on behalf of their vendors to lower standards. And the sales people want to push end-users to buy a new PC that needs a new license. Ultimately everyone’s life at Microsoft will improve with users moving to Windows 11, to gain sales, improve the spying and to mitigate risks, and avoid bad publicity if problems arise with windows 10.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Not often a software company stops users from using the latest version of their product. Why does Microsoft not want more people to be running the latest version of Windows? Wouldn't it be best for them given the data collection in Windows 11?

Windows and Intel (Wintel) have had a symbiotic relationship from the dawn of time. Intel is struggling, which means Windows will struggle. I would guess they are working together on this plan to boost sales of both
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