Is colocation knowledge lost now? Do people no longer know how to configure a server or three, bring them to colo and run them? I don't understand how this is a story worthy of an Ars Technica article. Where's the issue? If the issue is cost, slightly older Epyc hardware is quite affordable, and colo deals can be found for extremely reasonable costs. If it's expertise, then all they have to do is ask.
Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
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Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#52Is colocation knowledge lost now? Do people no longer know how to configure a server or three, bring them to colo and run them? I don't understand how this is a story worthy of an Ars Technica article. Where's the issue? If the issue is cost, slightly older Epyc hardware is quite affordable, and colo deals can be found for extremely reasonable costs. If it's expertise, then all they have to do is ask.
Still more economical than cloud, but it seems like this has become far too common.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#53So far, the Equinix Metal shutdown affects Freedesktop, Alpine, WireGuard, and Flathub. Why can't these organizations use VMs? Is there something special about bare-metal services, or has Equinix not offered their VM service to these organizations?
Imagine if Wireguard were backdoored because someone working for the ISP that runs the VMs compromised their VMs through the hypervisor. How would a project audit an ISP? How could anything be trusted? Bottom line: it can't. ISPs don't give that kind of information to customers unless you're special (government, spend crazy money).
While it's still possible to compromise a machine through physical access, it's MUCH more difficult. How do you bring it in to single user mode to introduce a privileged user without people noticing that it's down, even momentarily, or that the uptime is now zero? Compromise like this is possible, but worlds more difficult to pull off than compromise through hypervisor.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#54So far, the Equinix Metal shutdown affects Freedesktop, Alpine, WireGuard, and Flathub. Why can't these organizations use VMs? Is there something special about bare-metal services, or has Equinix not offered their VM service to these organizations?
How are VMs solving this issue? You cannot just snapshot them and migrate them to another provider. You'll get different local-IPv4 and different IPv6, etc.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#55Is colocation knowledge lost now? Do people no longer know how to configure a server or three, bring them to colo and run them? I don't understand how this is a story worthy of an Ars Technica article. Where's the issue? If the issue is cost, slightly older Epyc hardware is quite affordable, and colo deals can be found for extremely reasonable costs. If it's expertise, then all they have to do is ask.
Did you read the article? There are large storage and bandwidth requirements.
Storage is MUCH cheaper when you colo, and bandwidth requirements are a large part of why you colocate instead of just running servers out of an office building that has at least two upstream connections.
I'm really curious what you think they're using now. Certainly you read the article... It says they're using bare metal servers. That's basically colo where the provider owns, but doesn't control, the hardware.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#56Is colocation knowledge lost now? Do people no longer know how to configure a server or three, bring them to colo and run them? I don't understand how this is a story worthy of an Ars Technica article. Where's the issue? If the issue is cost, slightly older Epyc hardware is quite affordable, and colo deals can be found for extremely reasonable costs. If it's expertise, then all they have to do is ask.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Such as? If you prefer, of course.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41360708
Your beef is not with Hetzner, but whoever decided to run the service. Unless the customer violates local legislation or the hosting providers ToS, the appropriate action is to leave the service running, be it AWS, GCP or Hetzner.
I would quite frankly have been very disappointed with them if they had done anything in response to you request.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#58RHEL (IBM) is doing well, why can't they provide free hosting and at the same time show off their cloud products ? RHEL benefits from freedesktop and X, and as a show of good faith they could support Alpine too. But as we all know, RHEL/IBM only wants to take free labor and not really give back these days :(
Also, Red Hat typically only "sponsors" open source projects that they have some business dependency on. Freedesktop.org might be a good candidate, but Alpine could be harder to justify. I don't know of any RH product that uses Alpine directly. (Most enterprises only have exposure to Alpine through container images.)
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#59Even Microsoft updates can use end user device distributed hosting.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you read the article? There are large storage and bandwidth requirements.
Yes, I did, of course. Storage is MUCH cheaper when you colo, and bandwidth requirements are a large part of why you colocate instead of just running servers out of an office building that has at least two upstream connections. I'm really curious what you think they're using now. Certainly you read the article... It says they're using bare metal servers. That's basically colo where the provider owns, but doesn't cont…