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Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
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Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#42It looks as a job for Cloudflare: https://cloudflaremirrors.com/ But i don't know who is responsible for that.
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Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#43So far, the Equinix Metal shutdown affects Freedesktop, Alpine, WireGuard, and Flathub. Why can't these organizations use VMs? Is there something special about bare-metal services, or has Equinix not offered their VM service to these organizations?
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#44I haven't looked into it, so there might be a good reason, but why isn't peer-to-peer technology utilized more and more for stuff like this? I had hoped that BitTorrent would have made these things a solved problem. I looked into Storj earlier, but it seemed too controlled/unpredictable/centralized. Anybody have some good insights into this?
I think it's the same reason PGP never caught on. The learning curve is just too steep. There are 3 major concepts: understanding how to run the comnand, understanding the idea of public key crypto, and actually using it (i.e. NOT imaging the ISO unless the signature passes). What it needs is something like a torrent client that 1) doesn't let you download unless you supply the expected SHA first, and perhaps 2) that…
> I think it's the same reason PGP never caught on. The learning curve is just too steep.
This is what I always emphasise: usability first. If a solution is secure on paper, but confusing to use, then it's not secure - the user can get confused and do the wrong thing. Defaults matter.
> What it needs is something like a torrent client that 1) doesn't let you download unless you supply the expected SHA first, and perhaps 2) that it verifies that the hash came from the signed webpage where you got the torrent link.
This is already a solved problem. Just provide a magnet link. You already have to trust the website to provide the checksum, so why not trust the link?
As for packages, Debian experimented with a BitTorrent transport for apt a long while ago, but I suppose it didn't catch on. Perhaps this was before BitTorrent had HTTP fallback? Either way, this would be an interesting avenue for research.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#45So far, the Equinix Metal shutdown affects Freedesktop, Alpine, WireGuard, and Flathub. Why can't these organizations use VMs? Is there something special about bare-metal services, or has Equinix not offered their VM service to these organizations?
How are VMs solving this issue? You cannot just snapshot them and migrate them to another provider. You'll get different local-IPv4 and different IPv6, etc.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe it's time to consider changing it to another country which is actually OSS friendly and doesn't change all the time their politics. PS: Sorry for the off-topic discussion.
RISC-V International moved from California (IIRC?) to Switzerland for basically this reason.
It's shocking and saddening to think one might need to change from the United States to some other country in order to seek freedom. But here we are
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#47Is colocation knowledge lost now? Do people no longer know how to configure a server or three, bring them to colo and run them? I don't understand how this is a story worthy of an Ars Technica article. Where's the issue?
If the issue is cost, slightly older Epyc hardware is quite affordable, and colo deals can be found for extremely reasonable costs. If it's expertise, then all they have to do is ask.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#48It looks as a job for Cloudflare: https://cloudflaremirrors.com/ But i don't know who is responsible for that.
While I have mixed feelings about Cloudflare, I don't see why you have been downvoted. This is on topic for the discussion, already implemented for a couple distros, etc.
The question of "who is responsible": anyone is free to run their own mirror, after all this software is freely redistributable.
As for "why not", if I were to lead a project like Alpine, I would insist that the org stays in control of its own infrastructure. Mirrors are also only one chunk of the problem; you also need builder machines.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#49RHEL (IBM) is doing well, why can't they provide free hosting and at the same time show off their cloud products ? RHEL benefits from freedesktop and X, and as a show of good faith they could support Alpine too. But as we all know, RHEL/IBM only wants to take free labor and not really give back these days :(
> But as we all know, RHEL/IBM only wants to take free labor and not really give back these days :(
Ludicrous. Red Hat and IBM are far from perfect, but they are absolute heroes for open source. Listing all the projects that Red Hat pays to develop would be very difficult because it's so long. They've even acquired proprietary companies and open sourced their products (while the product was still selling and highly useful!), something virtually nobody does.
Re: Popular Linux orgs Freedesktop and Alpine Linux are scrambling for new webhost
#50Oh man that sucks! I wonder if we could pull Alpine into our colo, we recently upgraded to a full rack from 2U (it was cheaper than a quarter rack!) and have a ton of space. Plus all of our libvirt/KVM HVMs run Alpine.
It's surprising to me that Alpine isn't set for life from corporate donations. They're my first choice for laying down the foundation in a container.
This is why: https://m.xkcd.com/2347/
Now go ask your employer to donate.