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Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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When is someone in charge of such things for an OS vendor going to realize that for any of "my" documents, what I really want is to tag them?

I would jettison every piece of computing hardware I own right now and switch to the first device that would let me add (and search) tags in file metadata.

I think there are some Linux solutions for this using extended attributes (which are by the way pretty easy to use).

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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I couldn't get past this part:

    Even geeks can’t handle folders in folders
Hierarchical file systems weren't invented because it was ancient times and they were the easiest thing to produce. Hierarchical file systems were invented because they are a really, really good paradigm for storing and retrieving hierarchical data - which I strongly believe is still the case for the majority of files.

I didn't read further in to the article so perhaps I missed where this same idea was discussed, but I think a useful idea going forward would be meta-tagging of data. Something very basic like the ability to flag a file and later search or sort by those flags. Do it for specific folders, like the Documents folders. Done.

Now the 'non-geek's can deal with flat file structures and us 'geek's can do smarter things.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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Folders or tags are hard in the sense that both of them require a user to think about organisation, when in reality any of them just wants to find the file 'magically' where they last left it and do stuff with it. In most cases this is in some application or (in my opinion still a temporary stop gap) a one level deep file system.

The applications itself will serve the needed context or metadata (type of document, last modified time, access/sharing privileges) to find the files you're looking for.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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Windows did it first... My Documents / My Downloads / My Movies / My Music / My Pictures. The author makes it seem like Mac's "default content folder" scheme was a novel idea.

[citation needed]

I'm fairly sure that Mac OS X was here first, and it was copied to XP. IIRC, I was running Windows ME at the time of Mac OS X, and ME did not have those default folders.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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post #9

When is someone in charge of such things for an OS vendor going to realize that for any of "my" documents, what I really want is to tag them?

I would jettison every piece of computing hardware I own right now and switch to the first device that would let me add (and search) tags in file metadata.

I guess you weren't there for Be OS, which did let you define your own metadata and then search on them. The bundled mail "application" was what OS X calls a "smart folder," a saved search displayed in the filesystem browser. The software that downloaded mail stuck the headers into metadata attributes which the finder-like filesystem browser (the Tracker) could display in sortable columns. Really quite an impressive demo of the technology.

The music player worked the same way, relying on other software to copy information out of the ID3 tag into the filesystem metadata so you could search for music by artist, album, year, genre, etc.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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Coming from Linux, you would think "new file system" would mean that: a new file system. But its just the same smoke and mirrors Microsoft did when they scrapped WinFS: add magic folders, terrible ideas (translated folder names?) and missing hard features (links) in a limited fashion. Thats sad, because the file system could certainly do with a complete makeover: metadata, builtin sync with the cloud, backup and encr…

My feeling is that Microsoft is much closer to a post-files world than Apple is. Apple thinks files should stay within the app, which is exactly the opposite of why we had consumer-viewable file systems in the first place. We want/need to be able to edit files in different programs.

Windows 8's Contracts, combined with system-wide Share, and storing everything on Skydrive (so when you log in to another Windows 8 machine with your Live ID, it's all there) is a much more rounded vision for a post-file world, one where you have documents which are shared around, rather than opening apps then pointing at files.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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For some reason I think the author is being overly wordy. The point if I understand it, is that Apple is once again moving OSX towards iOS by switching from a strict folder based filesystem to an App structured file system (from the user's point of view). This allows people to find content and files more easily because they will always be where they left them. In the app that uses them.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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post #9

When is someone in charge of such things for an OS vendor going to realize that for any of "my" documents, what I really want is to tag them?

I would jettison every piece of computing hardware I own right now and switch to the first device that would let me add (and search) tags in file metadata.

I've started putting tags in filenames. This works pretty well. Instead of saving a downloaded file under its original name -- "leadfreereliability.pdf", or whatever -- I'll give it a new, verbose name like "Aerospace_Corp_lead_free_reliability_report_2011_Kostic_Pb_free_RoHS_bullshit.pdf".

Then, later, I can find that file and any similar ones with a simple command like

    dir /s | grep RoHS
...or the equivalent command in a different OS that might share the same drive.

It's no substitute for a true tag-based file system, but it's much better than nothing.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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Information architecture from a neuroscience point of view.

Concept building: A bottom up hierarchy

Everything you know was learned in the context of prior knowledge. You combined prior experiences, refined them, and over time solidified them into new constructs which you then used to repeat the process for higher level concepts. Visual light and dark blobs become coherent shapes which get associated with meaning and eventually those meanings get associated with names like 'chair' or 'rabbit.'

Content access: A top down (and sideways) lookup.

In many cases we know what we want without bothering to think of the name. Being thirsty may mean you think 'glass','faucet','stream','bubbles', and 'water.' But you don't have to think any of those words to get a glass of water and take a drink.

Unfortunately in much of IT there is a textual interface so you first have to pick a starting word and then use that to find what you're looking for. Any time you think of a word it is physically connected to many other notions, memories, experiences, and other words built over a lifetime of experience.

When we try to describe what something is we access the hierarchy we have learned. A chair is a piece of furniture, which is a solid object, which is something I can touch. We may even use this description to create a hierarchical description.

The tension here is that how we describe things is at best a very limited subset of how our brain connects to information about that thing. These mappings differ from person to person and change over time. One system of hierarchical categorization cannot be intuitive to all people and probably won't be to the same person after 10 years.

IMNSHO The only interface which will 'just work' for organizing labeled objects is one that knows you. The best example of this is Google's one box which searches my computer, builds associations between content that are not directly related to the search terms I use, and modifies itself over time based on my behavior.

Re: Mountain Lion's new file system

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Information architecture from a neuroscience point of view. Concept building: A bottom up hierarchy Everything you know was learned in the context of prior knowledge. You combined prior experiences, refined them, and over time solidified them into new constructs which you then used to repeat the process for higher level concepts. Visual light and dark blobs become coherent shapes which get associated with meaning and…

where is the neuroscience in what you wrote?
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