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Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by spiderfarmer »

what wrote: post #49
esperent wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is accurate, looking at it from outside. I mean, yeah, they both want to end up sitting on the billionaires yacht. But one side wants to do that while looking out over a fascist dictatorship. The other side has some weird idea that the billionaires will use their wealth to create a good life for everyone else too. Even though the term went out of fashion, it's still trickle down economics. These tw…

>fascist dictatorship You probably shouldn’t be calling other people brainwashed.

You’re right, it has become a fascist oligarchy in just two weeks. Faster than it took for you to realize it. But there’s still time to make Trump king.

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by spiderfarmer »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #50
majormajor wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EU politics isn't like that. We are trying to work together, not kill each other. Oh? Been quite a while longer since there was war inside the US than war inside Europe. While it's been no time at all since vicious party battles in major European countries. Or countries nope'ing out entirely. But apparently fascists are only a thing in the US now? > creating a model that will match whatever current model is conside…

I don't have much skin in this pissing contest, but I've lived in Europe, North America and East Asia. > What industry has the EU caught up in or maintained pace What industries is the US leading which reflects itself in improvement of quality of life of its citizens? Cause some things really don't matter in grand scheme of things.

If they could make money from empathy, the US would try to become the world leader real quick.

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by glooglork »

esperent wrote: post #19
sarusso wrote: post #8

They allocated €37.4 million [1]. As an European, I truly don’t understand why they keep ignoring that the money required for such projects is at least an order of magnitude more. [1] https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/pioneering-ai-...

Deepseek's release has shown that there's no great risk in getting left behind. All the info is out there, people with skills are readily available, creating a model that will match whatever current model is considered frontier level is not that hard for an entity like the EU. For everyone here shouting that the EU needs to do something, be a leader, what have they lost so far by choosing to lead in legislation inste…

> They can use the same frontier level open source model as everyone else, and meanwhile, they can stay on top of harmful uses like social or credit scoring.

We are dependent on models created by USA and Chinese companies for access to the technology that seems to be the next internet - while the entire world is accelerating hard towards protectionism and tariff wars.

What could possibly go wrong

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by intelVISA »

nradov wrote: post #18
Etheryte wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I'm rather happy that the allocation was not too large at first, even that is quite a sizeable sum. The EU is great at kickstarting projects that sound like a panacea, but end up not leading to anything. Once they have something to show, by all means, throw more money at them.

The trap that these EU projects typically fall into is that they burn all of the grant funding on paying politically connected consultants to write reports. No one gets around to building an MVP.

I thought that was the point?

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by microtonal »

rixed wrote: post #58

This article stayed on the front page of HN for a couple of days: https://timsh.org/tracking-myself-down-through-in-app-ads/ The author was in Europe. Aparently, all the rules protecting the privacy of european citizens make no difference in practice. I wonder why, but I believe the EU will look into this soon, since it would be so unconfortable if the king were bad.

Or it just takes time to enforce the regulations. As an EU citizen, the recent regulations have already helped me a lot - a lot of companies provide data takeout now, it has become easier to remove accounts, many more websites ask specific consent, etc. Or even small things, our daughter's school has to ask specific consent if they can make photos and where they can post them (of group activities, etc.). Does everyone play according the rules? Not yet, but we will get there.

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by intelVISA »

jpdus wrote: post #13

As someone who is in general skeptical of programs like this (and an European) there are 2 remarkable / timely things about this: - This project doesn't just allocate money to universities or one large company, but includes top research institutions as well as startups and GPU time on supercomputing clusters. The participants are very well connected (e.g. also supported by HF, Together and the likes with European roo…

What route(s) did you go through for funding? As an outsider the bureaucracy fascinates me, I trust it's all open and transparent like the EU?

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by bayindirh »

isoprophlex wrote: post #57

I'm HIGHLY sceptical. The academics will love it, because they get money. But look at that list of parties involved. More than twenty parties supplying people; none of them will have this initiative on the top of their list of loyalties and priorities. Meaning, everyone will talk, noone will take charge, some millions change hands and we continue with business as usual. Instead this should have been a single new non-…

I can see that you're unfamiliar with how EU grants and how these project collections work, but I don't have much time to address this with great detail.

As a person who's in this type of projects for a long time, what I can say is "it works", because people do not compete with each other, but will build it together.

What I can say is, if they have came this far, there's already plans about what to do, and how to do, and none of the parties are inexperienced in these kinds of things.

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by bayindirh »

tmikaeld wrote: post #60
isoprophlex wrote: post #57

I'm HIGHLY sceptical. The academics will love it, because they get money. But look at that list of parties involved. More than twenty parties supplying people; none of them will have this initiative on the top of their list of loyalties and priorities. Meaning, everyone will talk, noone will take charge, some millions change hands and we continue with business as usual. Instead this should have been a single new non-…

” The models will be developed within Europe's robust regulatory framework, ensuring alignment with European values while maintaining technological excellence.” They may release something, but i doubt it will be more useful than what already exists.

> They may release something, but i doubt it will be more useful than what already exists.

I wouldn't put such prejudice in this thing. I'm not implying that you're wrong, but I'm highly skeptical that the model will be incompetent or inferior.

Also, don't forget. They'll open source it end to end. From data to training/testing code and everything in between.

Re: Open Euro LLM: Open LLMs for Transparent AI in Europe

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Post by glooglork »

Even without the problem of insufficient financing, you probably need to bend some rules to be at the top of LLM game (not just how you collect the training data, we all sort of forgot that Altman was kicked out of OpenAI because the board thought he was prioritizing features over security).

With all the regulations and paperwork around EU projects, I can't really see them competing against private sector.

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