So for €52mn you'll get... a worse Llama? But don't worry, it'll be "transparent and compliant" which will make people want to use it. Very European.
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#52translation: a few finetunes of llama plus a lot of travel grants
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think this is accurate, looking at it from outside. I mean, yeah, they both want to end up sitting on the billionaires yacht. But one side wants to do that while looking out over a fascist dictatorship. The other side has some weird idea that the billionaires will use their wealth to create a good life for everyone else too. Even though the term went out of fashion, it's still trickle down economics. These tw…
>fascist dictatorship You probably shouldn’t be calling other people brainwashed.
I hope you're right. I like America, I want you guys to overcome this.
Just remember that what most people think of when you say "fascism" is "literally Nazis".
I don't think many people believe that's where the US is heading. There are far more possible flavors of fascism.
The direction of the US is more like what Russia has, an oligarchy, with elements of fascism like concentration camps.
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Is this slop? You're posting slop, aren't you?
It's bad. Stop doing that. You're not doing anyone a service.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deepseek's release has shown that there's no great risk in getting left behind. All the info is out there, people with skills are readily available, creating a model that will match whatever current model is considered frontier level is not that hard for an entity like the EU. For everyone here shouting that the EU needs to do something, be a leader, what have they lost so far by choosing to lead in legislation inste…
> legislation is kind of the point of a government in the first place I would personally consider legislation to be but one means to an end, with the point of a (democratic) government actually being to ensure stability and prosperity for its citizens. In that framework, "leading with legislation" doesn't make any sense—you can lead with results, but the legislation is not itself a result! Lead with development or le…
> I would personally consider legislation to be but one means to an end, with the point of a (democratic) government actually being to ensure stability and prosperity for its citizens
You're correct, in retrospect I was a bit hyperbolic in my statement.
A better statement of my view is: the goal of a government should be the prosperity and wellbeing of it's citizens and the greater system we're all a part of (both geopolitical and ecological), and the best way we've so far discovered to do that is via legislation of an otherwise free market.
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#56> will build a family of performant, multilingual, large language foundation models for commercial, industrial and public services.
The commercial aspect must be implemented ASAP, or it's going to flop.
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#57I'm HIGHLY sceptical. The academics will love it, because they get money. But look at that list of parties involved. More than twenty parties supplying people; none of them will have this initiative on the top of their list of loyalties and priorities.
Meaning, everyone will talk, noone will take charge, some millions change hands and we continue with business as usual.
Instead this should have been a single new non-profit or whatever with deep pockets that convinces smart people to give their 100% for a while.
Death by committee. And I say this as someone who was in a multi-million research program across ~8 universities, that was going to do "groundbreaking" research. After a few months everyone was back to pushing their own lines of research, there was almost zero collaboration let alone common language or goal setting.
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#58This article stayed on the front page of HN for a couple of days:
https://timsh.org/tracking-myself-down-through-in-app-ads/
The author was in Europe.
Aparently, all the rules protecting the privacy of european citizens make no difference in practice.
I wonder why, but I believe the EU will look into this soon, since it would be so unconfortable if the king were bad.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deepseek's release has shown that there's no great risk in getting left behind. All the info is out there, people with skills are readily available, creating a model that will match whatever current model is considered frontier level is not that hard for an entity like the EU. For everyone here shouting that the EU needs to do something, be a leader, what have they lost so far by choosing to lead in legislation inste…
> lead in legislation > legislation is kind of the point of a government As an American, most of this post reads like doublespeak satire. I guess it's not, but just to put a transatlantic pov here. I'll add a sports metaphor for good measure: in order to become expert football players, we'll get tickets to watch the best teams play.
I’ll add some European wisdom to your sports metaphor. You don’t have to become a big football player to make money in football. I’d rather make money from the tickets and rights than dedicate my life to a sport that’s only played in the US.
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#60I'm HIGHLY sceptical. The academics will love it, because they get money. But look at that list of parties involved. More than twenty parties supplying people; none of them will have this initiative on the top of their list of loyalties and priorities. Meaning, everyone will talk, noone will take charge, some millions change hands and we continue with business as usual. Instead this should have been a single new non-…
” The models will be developed within Europe's robust regulatory framework, ensuring alignment with European values while maintaining technological excellence.”
They may release something, but i doubt it will be more useful than what already exists.