It would be good if we could create a digital fortress around the US that stopped unwanted things from coming in. Like a firewall for the country. . . .
The firewall just got ten feet taller
US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
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#122It is useful context for people who aren't American to know how ridiculous Josh Hawley is, and has always been. The current authoritarian chaos could lend some weight to the possibility that this becomes law, but it is still unlikely.
> It is useful context for people who aren't American to know how ridiculous Josh Hawley is, and has always been.
Hawley looks like a clown and acts like a clown but he knows how to play the game. The only two things the guy talks about is how much he loves israel and hates china. With those credentials, he might be president one day.
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#123I thought that Hawley had fallen into obscurity after he tried to steal the White House in 2021. I was kind of hoping that that would be the last we would hear from him. That's what I get for hoping for a better world.
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#124A lot of people in this new federal government are terrified of China
I think it's the opposite, despite the people who are extra loud about it. Trump admires Xi and Elon loves China. The people at the very top are more China-friendly than the last administration.
China was Tesla's largest market and major manufacturing base for the international EV market. Up until this year when Chinese domestic EVs took over, and it's looking like Tesla will never get anywhere close to the top ever again.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…
The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.
> possibly not speculative at all
There's a sentence
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.
The ranking member (senior Democrat) on the intelligence committee voted against the ban ( https://www.ctinsider.com/columnist/article/tiktok-ban-jim-h... ): > One key for him is that it’s only a possible threat. Our best intelligence, including in a briefing for Congress from the Biden administration Tuesday, is that the Chinese government has not actually done the things the ban fears. Also, from a recent All-In in…
>The ranking member (senior Democrat) on the intelligence committee voted against the ban (https://www.ctinsider.com/columnist/article/tiktok-ban-jim-h...):
But he voted yes on the subsequent vote?
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024145
Moreover your factoid is misleading because it omits the fact that the chair voted for the ban, along with most of the members. Of the 25 members on the committee, only 4 voted against.
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#127Guess what I, a person who mere minutes ago had little interest in downloading DeepSeek, am doing right now? Paging Ms. Streisand…
Streisand effect is overstated, censorship/bans work.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for proving my point. Schwartz was offered 6 months in a minimum security prison, but he declined it because he specifically wanted a trial. Moreover that was for effectively DoSing JSTOR, a much more serious crime than some guy using a vpn to download an AI model. I don't think 6 months was justified, nor the string of crimes he was charged with, but OP's assertion that "You get less jail time for committing…
It's a shame Swartz was downloading JSTOR articles to share. He could have DoS'd half the internet and gotten away scot-free if he'd been training an ML system instead.
You just need articles of incorporation and all crimes become civil matters.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
While there may very well be security concerns, other countries have handled this by simply banning the app on government devices (eg: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tiktok-banned-on-uk-gover... ). You needn't ban the app nationwide to address those concerns. What I believe is more likely is that, this isn't about national security or data privacy, which could be addressed far more effectively with subject-approp…
The concerns are about adversarial foreign governments being able to silently target messages to highly-influenced demographics en masse. I swear I have heard zero people opposed to the ban who seem to even be vaguely aware of that aspect which is the entire actual issue , and instead are completely confused and think it’s about spyware or hacking. Whether or not you agree with the ban, we need to actually be discuss…
And you weak-minded simpletons have to be protected from those dangerous ideas for your own safety. We have to fill your heads with only good thoughts, the ones we select for you. I know this is the stated issue, people won't shut up about it. It's a bunch of bollocks. How China handles their media isn't a blueprint for how we should do it. I wouldn't trust this power in the hands of my parents who love me unconditionally, I sure as hell don't trust this power in the hands of the worst people alive right now. If you're a Republican substitute Nanci Pelosi / AOC.
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#130This is performative and obviously stupid, but to add some technical color to it: in the alternate universe where this passed, rather than floating around as a signalling tool for Josh Hawley, ordinary violators would see nothing resembling a 20 year sentence. This statute falls under the 2M5 section of the sentencing guideline (for export violations); it has a base offense level of 14 (15-21 months) and is probation…
Too many people have it now. What would be likely to happen if the bill passed is selective enforcement. Many dictatorships have very broad laws that almost everyone inevitably breaks, but as long as you don't challenge the dictator or speak out against them in any way, you are safe. But the moment you speak out against the government, suddenly the law gets enforced, since in the governments eyes, you have now commit…
It's kind of funny to compare the Napster lawsuits, Aaron Swartz, DRM campaigns etc with the Ross Ulbricht type cases. Turns out you can download as many cars as you want, just make sure to pad the right politicans running for president.