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US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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It is useful context for people who aren't American to know how ridiculous Josh Hawley is, and has always been. The current authoritarian chaos could lend some weight to the possibility that this becomes law, but it is still unlikely.

Yes, this is the same guy that was photographed raising his fist to the crowed, but then seen in video scurrying away from the scary crowd

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Wow what a sensationalist clickbait. The bill says nothing about deepseek.

" bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China"

Also it makes importing illegal, which means that you as a consumer wouldn't even be able to run it (ip or dns block).

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for proving my point. Schwartz was offered 6 months in a minimum security prison, but he declined it because he specifically wanted a trial. Moreover that was for effectively DoSing JSTOR, a much more serious crime than some guy using a vpn to download an AI model. I don't think 6 months was justified, nor the string of crimes he was charged with, but OP's assertion that "You get less jail time for committing…

Last I checked, 6 months is still more time than 0 time. Not sure your point with this comparison

Last time I checked, entering an (unlocked) IT closet, using it to DoS a site and continuing to do so despite being IP banned a few times is slightly more serious than "some kid downloading a model".

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuckerberg came out strongly against the TikTok ban. Unless you mean someone else?

Trump has a social media company, doesn't he?

It has 6 million users. It’s like a midsized subreddit, not a TikTok competitor.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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>[I]nterpreting this law in such a way would further solidify the dominance of proprietary AI over open or academic research.

This goes to the heart of the debate here. Obviously forking an open-source model of Chinese origin is not “sending dollars and gigs of data” to China.

Hawley is a non-stupid person so he almost certainly gets this. The issue is that for a few US companies with >>$100B of market cap/valuation whose boards happen to be extremely plugged into Washington’s money machine, their strategic enemy isn’t China; it’s open-source models.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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If the rationale is to avoid sending data back to Chinese servers, then shouldn't there be a carveout for downloading a model you run locally?

The rationale is to damage Chinese commercial interests. Otherwise, the billions of IOT devices that dial back to Chinese manufacturers would be way higher up the list than an AI tool that has shown five minutes of adoption.

We’ve gone beyond being able to damage their interests with protectionism. We’re only hurting ourselves by denying access to any Chinese innovation.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want federal then take a step out and look at all the people who got 10-15 years for carrying an quarter ounce of weed. Sentencing is very selective based on who they want to make an example of and when.

>You want federal then take a step out and look at all the people who got 10-15 years for carrying an quarter ounce of weed. Source? My impression is that in basically all of those cases, it's either because: 1. the guy is a repeat offender and/or on probation 2. the guy decided to wanted to fight to the bitter end and they threw the book at them I'm not saying either are justified, but the implication that someone w…

> the guy is a repeat offender and/or on probation

“It was for two or three quarter ounces of weed!” isn’t the defense you imagine.

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