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Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no state income tax . . . yet. But the "soak the rich" band is already tuning up, and with the cost of living being what it is out here, "rich" will probably include anyone who can afford a house.

There are attempts at it at least once every decade, and every time they get squashed in the very end, even if they are passing the vote and get pretty much to the finish line. Any form of taxing it is against state constitution, and the state struck down any previous attempts at loopholes around that provision of the constitution. I agree with the sibling comment that this is not something to realistically worry abo…

> Any form of taxing it is against state constitution

The WA state constitution says non uniform property taxes are not allowed, and 1930 WA Supreme Court ruled income was property.

A flat income tax would have been allowed, until last year when income tax was outlawed, but not with enough votes to amend the state constitution.

Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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post #34

30 miles West in Ann Arbor, there are tech gigs but not tons of them. If you are apart of the University of Michigan, there are tons of opportunities via the college and the groups there, but if not there aren't tons of openings. Detroit itself is an amazing city, but it isn't a tech hub, nor is it for everyone. It is the shell of the automotive companies that started to move their operations of out the country in th…

St. Louis is similar: you can walk from downtown to empty grass-filled blocks in about fifteen minutes. My favorite story is the origin of the City Museum (which, shoutout to the City Museum, it's awesome). The City Museum building is in a former factory, it's about 11 stories tall and fills a city block. It's on the edge of downtown about a dozen blocks from the Arch. The artist behind the museum bought the building…

I think most US cities are like that in the “downtown to disheveled in 15 minutes” sense.

Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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30 miles West in Ann Arbor, there are tech gigs but not tons of them. If you are apart of the University of Michigan, there are tons of opportunities via the college and the groups there, but if not there aren't tons of openings. Detroit itself is an amazing city, but it isn't a tech hub, nor is it for everyone. It is the shell of the automotive companies that started to move their operations of out the country in th…

I've actually looked at Ann Arbor before as I adore college towns and was looking at trying to find one in the great lakes region as a forever / retirement destination. Given you're from the area would you have any others to recommend? Things I'm mainly looking for: * A climate change refuge * No 'lake effect' snow * Continuing education opportunities (i.e. auditing classes as a retiree) * A good public / uni library…

Charlottesville, VA!!!

The area between UVA's campus and downtown is walkable and continues to develop. Charlottesville has mild winters and beautiful falls. UVA has a gorgeous campus and lots of programming.

The town punches above its weight with respect to the food scene and is surrounded by wineries. The Shenandoah mountains are close by. There is an airport in the town that makes it less remote.

Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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I really thought the major "rust belt" cities were going to blow up after the big COVID WFH push. Why spend 2-10x as much to live in one of four coastal metros when you could get the same pay while living somewhere much cheaper. The biggest issue with these cities in the last 50 years has been a lack of high paying jobs and WFH tech jobs essentially negate that issue. There are a ton of American cities that have fall…

I was really hoping for this too.

I love WFH and I hope I never have to work in an office again. I was hoping the obvious financial efficiency improvements would have made the concept stick more and enable more mobility in the US

unfortunately it looks like we couldn't get over our need for employee control even for types of work that is largely online anyways. I'm still sad that it isn't likely to grow much.

Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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post #102
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

St. Louis is similar: you can walk from downtown to empty grass-filled blocks in about fifteen minutes. My favorite story is the origin of the City Museum (which, shoutout to the City Museum, it's awesome). The City Museum building is in a former factory, it's about 11 stories tall and fills a city block. It's on the edge of downtown about a dozen blocks from the Arch. The artist behind the museum bought the building…

I think most US cities are like that in the “downtown to disheveled in 15 minutes” sense.

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Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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30 miles West in Ann Arbor, there are tech gigs but not tons of them. If you are apart of the University of Michigan, there are tons of opportunities via the college and the groups there, but if not there aren't tons of openings. Detroit itself is an amazing city, but it isn't a tech hub, nor is it for everyone. It is the shell of the automotive companies that started to move their operations of out the country in th…

I've actually looked at Ann Arbor before as I adore college towns and was looking at trying to find one in the great lakes region as a forever / retirement destination. Given you're from the area would you have any others to recommend? Things I'm mainly looking for: * A climate change refuge * No 'lake effect' snow * Continuing education opportunities (i.e. auditing classes as a retiree) * A good public / uni library…

I lived in Ann Arbor for about a decade. I’ll do my best to answer some of these.

* On climate change, I think the Midwest is generally pretty good, and the models show Michigan as a green zone last I looked (especially moving a bit more north). But I don’t know that I’d make this a major buying decision.

* I’ve always felt the idea of lake effect snow was overblown I spent several years on the west side of the state, everyone warned me about the lake effect snow, and I honestly didn’t notice a major difference vs the Detroit metro area. You will get snow, but even now it doesn’t snow like it did when I was a kid.

* I’m not sure what options U of M has for auditing classes, but I’m guessing there is something. You’d also have Washtenaw Community College, and Eastern Michigan University over in Ypsilanti. I took some a Unix course years ago at WCC to fill the empty time in my schedule many years ago. It was pretty painless to sign up. Ann Arbor also has a lot of classes for seniors through the rec center. And of course private business… I took a knife skills course and some cooking classes at a local place there.

* The Ann Arbor library system is pretty decent and has several branches. UofM has several as well. I’m not sure what public access is like for UofM, as I never tried while I was living there, but I do remember going there in high school to find a rare book I needed. I tried to pop in to the Library at Harvard recently, when I was in the area, and it didn’t seem open to the public, which is the only reason I’m questioning of UofM would give you trouble.

* Ann Arbor is probably the most walkable city in the area, which makes sense due to the university. Also, the freeways on all sides bound it to prevent too much sprawl. Though you will want to be adjacent to the downtown area for prime walkability. They have also been putting in some protected bike lanes if you’re into that. Some of this, and more big apartment complexes downtown have left the city feeling more congested, it doesn’t feel quite as quant as it once did, but still has some of its charm.

* For cost of living… for Michigan it’s high, but if you’re coming from a coast, it probably won’t feel too bad. It’s really housing that is the main expense.

On the topic of snow… a lot of people from Michigan become snow birds as they get older. They spend most of the year in Michigan, then head down to Florida for a couple months in the winter. My dad has been doing this for the last 5 years or so (using something like VRBO). He also recently started hiring out to take care of snow removal. Or, if you choose a condo over a house, it may not be an issue at all. Just keep parking in mind, and getting to and from the car, if you’re looking for something like that near downtown. If you haven’t lived around snow before, a good hack is to walk on the grass to avoid an icy sidewalk.

The temps hovering around freezing, like they are now are the worst for ice. If it would get cold and stay cold, it seems much safer. But downtown Ann Arbor usually does a pretty good job keeping things clean.

Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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As a native (suburban) Detroiter (who departed 20 years ago), I don’t want to throw shade but articles like these rarely give a good sense of the size or scope of decades of decay. There are still miles (and miles) of apocalyptic looking neighborhoods. As a teenager, we had our pick of hundreds of abandoned warehouses to party (“rave”). I'd love to see it flourish, and maybe if the area could get past its car addicti…

There are some serious attempts at removing the car addiction. The qLine rail goes down Woodward avenue providing a rather nice alternative to the bus systems, and the I have heard recently there are talks to expand the People Mover as it was intended when it was designed. I'm hoping that the bus systems make efforts to bounce back and start serving the suburbs better.

Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah class divides are weird in Southeast MI. At smaller shops it leads to a lot of hubris from management. I've worked at more than one shop where circles of UofM grads insist on outsourcing everything new and having in-house employees only do maintenance or minor features. If you didn't go to UofM your opinion is worthless. Leads to incredibly toxic shops and terrible software.

Which is kind of funny since you're talking about UofM, not Stanford or MIT. It's a good school but there are literally hundreds of good schools in the US. In my experience lots of folks educated at top top tier institutions are pretty humble about it, and acknowledge places where other institutions are as good or better than their alma mater. A coworker of mine recently got his MBA from Penn which is not only Ivy Le…

I think part of your experience with people from top schools is they know the stereotypes already exist and don’t want people outside the inner circle to use it against them.

I’ve known plenty of people from UofM who don’t talk about it either. I had a coworker get his degree from UofM. I’m not even sure how we found out, as he never talked about it, and even after getting the degree he just kept chilling in the entry level job he was comfortable in for years.

Re: Detroit’s revival takes shape after decades of decay

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post #108

As a native (suburban) Detroiter (who departed 20 years ago), I don’t want to throw shade but articles like these rarely give a good sense of the size or scope of decades of decay. There are still miles (and miles) of apocalyptic looking neighborhoods. As a teenager, we had our pick of hundreds of abandoned warehouses to party (“rave”). I'd love to see it flourish, and maybe if the area could get past its car addicti…

There are some serious attempts at removing the car addiction. The qLine rail goes down Woodward avenue providing a rather nice alternative to the bus systems, and the I have heard recently there are talks to expand the People Mover as it was intended when it was designed. I'm hoping that the bus systems make efforts to bounce back and start serving the suburbs better.

Were those talks to expand it post-QLine? I'd like to see it expanded, but I thought QLine kind of took over a lot of what was intended for it.
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