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Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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Re: Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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> Do some insurance companies charge less when provided access to policy owner driving patterns which the companies infer reduce their risk? Sure. > But that is a different question. In what way? A discount for allowing surveillance is identical to an extra charge for disallowing it. They're identical, unless the "base" rate is set externally somehow. $5 for lemonade, $3 off if you skip the lemon == $2 for sugar wate…

> A discount for allowing surveillance is identical to an extra charge for disallowing it. I don't think this is necessarily true. You're right that there's an unknown base rate, but that means you can't say what you're saying as well. And if you have other companies that offer non-driving-pattern policies as well, and they're a similar price, you can see it's a discount not an added cost. In fact, regardless, other…

Yes. That is what "...unless the base rate is set externally somehow" means.

It is different initially, when only one company is offering the "discount" and they have not yet adjusted their base price upward. In fact, the people who want the discount will presumably flock to their service, which may even mean they won't raise the base price all the way up if it makes their costs lower. But if that works, the other companies will follow suit.

In short: there's a period of time when there's a difference, and you have a real choice. If the difference is real, it will get locked in to the entire industry. It's a positive economic profit, and those go away.

cf https://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/08/choose-firefox-now-or-l...

Re: Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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On android you can choose whether to grant access to contacts. And most apps work fine without. GrapheneOS, which I use, also has contact scopes, so troublesome apps that refuse to work without access will think they have full access. You can allow them to see no contacts or a small subset. There's also multiple user profiles, a "private space", and a work profile (shelter) that you can install an app into, which can…

The point is that it doesn't matter whether YOU grant access to your contacts. As long as anyone who has you in THEIR contacts decides to just press "share contacts" with any app, you are doxxed and SkyNet is able to identify you for all practical purposes.

Same with DNA testing really.

A relative did a genealogy test through ancestry.com and suddenly I'm doxed for all eternity.

Re: Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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post #417

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On android you can choose whether to grant access to contacts. And most apps work fine without. GrapheneOS, which I use, also has contact scopes, so troublesome apps that refuse to work without access will think they have full access. You can allow them to see no contacts or a small subset. There's also multiple user profiles, a "private space", and a work profile (shelter) that you can install an app into, which can…

The point is that it doesn't matter whether YOU grant access to your contacts. As long as anyone who has you in THEIR contacts decides to just press "share contacts" with any app, you are doxxed and SkyNet is able to identify you for all practical purposes.

Ah yes, that is a problem.

Re: Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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>Its not. Apple still owns your stuff. There is no difference between Apple and other 3p retailers. That could be taken to mean anywhere between "Apple controls the software on your iPhone, therefore they control your contacts" and "Apple gives out your data like the data brokers mentioned in the OP". The former wouldn't be surprising at all, and most people would be happy with, and the latter would be scandalous if…

Why do you inherently trust Apple? Remember, the big celebrity photo leak happened because of a vulnerability within Apple Software.

And why do you assume bad faith without any proof of foul play?

Re: Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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Your poor oppressed doctor! And I’ll bet they rarely even get to treat bullet wounds. It’s different here in the Land of the Free ™.

Nah its called normal society, ie Switzerland here is the same the benefits of doing so would be absolutely minimal, punishments severe. Plus its highly amoral and doctors here are still coming from idealistic breed that wanted to help people, those 2 are practically exclusive.

This normal in your society? https://electronicintifada.net/content/switzerland-deports-e...

Interesting thought policing you have in there.

Re: Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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One big privacy issue is that there is no sane way to protect your contact details from being sold, regardless of what you do. As soon as your cousin clicks "Yes, I would like to share the entire contents of my contacts with you" when they launch TikTok your name, phone number, email etc are all in the crowd. And I buy this stuff. Every time I need customer service and I'm getting stonewalled I just go onto a marketp…

> (this is usually successful, but can backfire badly -- CashApp terminated my account for this shenanigans) When I was at a medium-sized consumer-facing company whose name you’d recognize if you’re in the tech space (intentionally vague) we had some customers try this. They’d find product managers or directors on LinkedIn then start trying to contact them with phone numbers found on the internet, personal email addr…

Honestly not condoning people crossing the line of threats/abusive behavior, but it sounds like you worked at one of those companies that make it impossible to get ahold of someone, don’t respond to customers, or other poor customer service issues, and then are surprised people resort to this

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What marketplaces do you use?

Im also curious about this. Is it just a website you place an order or do you have to go through some kind of agent?

Lately I've been using SignalHire

Re: Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads

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> A perfectly privacy respecting app store isn't going to do any good if it doesn't have any apps. 40 years ago apps were sold on floppy disks. 30 years ago they were sold on CD-ROMs. 20 years ago, DVDs. Online-only apps are a recent thing. A privacy respecting app store certainly can be a thing. Apps being blocked or banned from stores for choosing to not respect your privacy is a good thing.

>Online-only apps are a recent thing. A privacy respecting app store certainly can be a thing. I'm not sure you're trying say. I specifically acknowledged the existence of f-droid as a "privacy respecting app store" in the quoted comment. >Apps choosing to not respect your privacy, and being blocked or banned from stores, is a good thing. "a good thing" doesn't mean much when most people haven't even heard of your ap…

> [Apple] had a greater impact on user privacy than f-droid ever will.

Sorry, that's nonsensical, unless you mean a negative impact. Apple's privacy is pretend only, as this article makes quite clear.

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