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Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by wmeredith »

davej wrote: post #55

I still can't believe the 'skeuomorphic' interfaces for Calendar and Reminders made it into the final version of Mountain Lion. These apps are often in the corner of the screen while working with different applications; they should be minimal and not full of harsh textures and deep bevels. Also, they're just plain ugly. Here's a screenshot for those not familiar: http://f.cl.ly/items/3R0I3X2Y041b091l0j1w/Screen%20Sho…

Well, as long as they basically keep printing money they'll continue this course.

WE don't like the skeuomorphic stuff (no need for quotes, it's a real word) but the general public does. It demos well and makes software more approachable.

It drives me nuts, but I'll bet it's here to stay. At least until the first video game generations are retirees.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by cicloid »

injekt wrote: post #100

Looks like I've lost all the command line tools. Trying to install them via Xcode 4.4 results in telling me I don't have the appropriate permissions to download them (I have an Apple Developer account but I'm not signed up to any programs). This of course breaks homebrew installs (I found the issue when trying to run an application that uses image magick). Anyone else having this issue?

The last time (last rc) I solved it by downloading only the command line tools from dev center.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

#103

Post by cicloid »

hisyam wrote: post #90

This might be a newbie question — if I upgrade, will it mess up my rbenv, homebrew, and postgres installs?

They mostly work as it is, things like imagemagick you need to recompile and reinstall dependent gems

But first update Xcode and the command line tools

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by saint-loup »

wmeredith wrote: post #101
davej wrote: post #55

I still can't believe the 'skeuomorphic' interfaces for Calendar and Reminders made it into the final version of Mountain Lion. These apps are often in the corner of the screen while working with different applications; they should be minimal and not full of harsh textures and deep bevels. Also, they're just plain ugly. Here's a screenshot for those not familiar: http://f.cl.ly/items/3R0I3X2Y041b091l0j1w/Screen%20Sho…

Well, as long as they basically keep printing money they'll continue this course. WE don't like the skeuomorphic stuff (no need for quotes, it's a real word) but the general public does. It demos well and makes software more approachable. It drives me nuts, but I'll bet it's here to stay. At least until the first video game generations are retirees.

>> the general public does

Source? We don't have much data to measure the fondness of end users for skeuomorphic interfaces of the Mac OS sort.

You mentionned some of the reasons to make UIs like that, and of course Apple is selling trunks of devices, but how do we know that users specifically like Calendars, Reminders, the Fullscreen mode of Photobooth, etc. ?

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

#105

Post by wonderzombie »

hnriot wrote: post #89
rilindo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, when I upgraded to ML, my boot time was cut down from 20 seconds to 5. Awesome.

While boot times make for good review copy, how often does anyone actually reboot a Mac these days? Once a year?

Software updates would be it. What's not to like about getting back to work (or uh web browsing) that much faster? Myself, I'd be that much more likely to install security updates sooner rather than procrastinating.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by hyperbovine »

hnriot wrote: post #87
chucknelson wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree - they look fine. Everyone needs to stop over-analyzing.

Actually everyone needs to stay analyzing, that's how we make progress. The steam engine's fine, everyone needs to stop over analyzing.

Did you really just compare the industrial revolution to the texture of a calendar app menu bar?

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by hnriot »

draebek wrote: post #93
hnriot wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While boot times make for good review copy, how often does anyone actually reboot a Mac these days? Once a year?

Things that make me reboot my Mac: 1. Software updates. 2. My Bluetooth headset hangs in a way that requires a reboot via power button. Happens probably once every six weeks on average. 3. VM software (mostly VirtualBox) crashes my system. Has probably happened at least twice in the past three months. 4. Booting in to Windows to play games.

so, what, you're saving 20 * 15 seconds per year?

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

cicloid wrote: post #102
injekt wrote: post #100

Looks like I've lost all the command line tools. Trying to install them via Xcode 4.4 results in telling me I don't have the appropriate permissions to download them (I have an Apple Developer account but I'm not signed up to any programs). This of course breaks homebrew installs (I found the issue when trying to run an application that uses image magick). Anyone else having this issue?

The last time (last rc) I solved it by downloading only the command line tools from dev center.

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Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

#109

Post by hnriot »

wonderzombie wrote: post #105
hnriot wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While boot times make for good review copy, how often does anyone actually reboot a Mac these days? Once a year?

Software updates would be it. What's not to like about getting back to work (or uh web browsing) that much faster? Myself, I'd be that much more likely to install security updates sooner rather than procrastinating.

but most software updates don't require a reboot, I just don't get it, my mac stays up to date and the number of times a year I reboot you can count on one hand. Today being one of them, since ML is being updated.

There are lots of good reasons to be all for SSD's, but reboot time is not one of them, when considered rationally.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

#110

Post by blakesmith »

super_mario wrote: post #95
blakesmith wrote: post #91

Why do I get the feeling that Apple wants to turn my laptop into a big ipad with a keyboard? Facebook sharing, Twitter integration... These features make sense for users like my Mom, but I couldn't care less. Are there any compelling features for developers? Why should I hassle with upgrading, especially after a lot of the stability issues people had when upgrading to Lion? I want to keep being productive, not turn m…

Imagine how Mac Pro users like me feel. Now my Mac Pro feels like a phone. Yippie. I'm staying on Snow Leopard for as long as the hardware works. When it fails, it's time to move on. Linux is looking prettier every day. I don't know what the hardware choices are going to be in 5 years though. If Apple has their way, general computing will go away by the end of the decade.

Ugh, sorry to hear that. I can imagine the new interface designs being pretty annoying for Mac Pro users.

I have also thought about making the jump back to Linux, but really enjoy the sturdy unibody build quality of macs. I'm also less inclined to fiddle with OS customization and tweaking than I used to be in college, which I did a lot of when I was in Linux land.

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