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Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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cut your living expenses...have a car? sell it for a beater. Have high rent? Move to Bronx or Brooklyn or Queens or Jersey City(if your work is close to penn station). Or if your parents live locally, move in with them(I did this). Switch to a ramen diet....stop going out, stop buying shit. Stretch every penny. You won't believe how little you can live on, if you cut out all the bullshit. Start working on your contac…

It's likely he doesn't have a car, most New Yorkers don't. I'd also recommend switching to a fruits and vegetables diet, instead of ramen. There are enough dedicated fruit stores in New York that make fruits and vegetables cheaper and healthier than ramen. In New York, an example of this kind of store would be "Three Guys From Brooklyn", or "Circus Fruits". With these sorts of stores you can easily bring your food ex…

If you are paying $1000 (with roommates) to $2000 (1BR or studio) in rent, saving a few bucks by changing your diet won't make much difference.

By the way, aren't programmers in hedge funds supposed to make $200k-$500k a year after bonuses and before taxes?

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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What about the visa? My experience is that cheap countries get incredibly expensive if you need broadband and a reasonably secure neighbourhood. Or are you talking about living in a hotel on a tourist visa? That only works for 3 to 6 months and I'm not sure it's possible continue working for a NY startup whilst in Thailand.

We stayed in Chaing Mai for about a month, had broadband access. The people we were staying with were renting a large house for about $400 a month. You can take a weekend trip to Cambodia or Vietnam and get a renewed visa when you come back. Or travel around SE Asia in general. You can do that indefinitely and it's quite cheap, even in relatively urban areas. Definitely cheaper than NYC(!)

OK, but if you're only staying for a month, the air fare is going to ruin your budget.

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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Something that I haven't seen mentioned: deferred pay is a huge problem in startups. Essentially, the founders are asking you to take venture risk with your salary, but they're not compensating you for that risk (I'm assuming they're not paying you 30% interest on that deferred amount.)

Letting them defer your pay actually encourages them to wait as long as possible before raising a new round of funding, because the money you're lending them is far cheaper (financially) than the money they would get from an investor. Meanwhile, the longer employees work, ringing up deferred comp, the more desperate they get to have the company succeed in raising its next round.

It's a really, really bad combination.

I think the rule has to be, if you're an employee, you should expect to get paid like an employee (i.e. now.) If you are taking risk like a founder, you should get equitized like one, not simply "repaid" your deferred comp. Put another way: you're basically investing that deferred comp in the business, but you're not getting paid for taking that very large risk with your money.

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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It's likely he doesn't have a car, most New Yorkers don't. I'd also recommend switching to a fruits and vegetables diet, instead of ramen. There are enough dedicated fruit stores in New York that make fruits and vegetables cheaper and healthier than ramen. In New York, an example of this kind of store would be "Three Guys From Brooklyn", or "Circus Fruits". With these sorts of stores you can easily bring your food ex…

And if you're eating ramen, try to find some without the MSG that most brands have in abundance. Blech.

I'll also chop up some broccoli and add it to the ramen. Along with some shredded pork (MSG-free) and chili, it's a pretty tasty dish:

http://www.piermall.com/Chinese-Shredded-Pork-Sung-No-MSG-p/...

http://chowtimes.com/2006/05/21/shredded-dried-pork-aka-meat...

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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We stayed in Chaing Mai for about a month, had broadband access. The people we were staying with were renting a large house for about $400 a month. You can take a weekend trip to Cambodia or Vietnam and get a renewed visa when you come back. Or travel around SE Asia in general. You can do that indefinitely and it's quite cheap, even in relatively urban areas. Definitely cheaper than NYC(!)

OK, but if you're only staying for a month, the air fare is going to ruin your budget.

It's not that bad. I think we flew for about $80 round trip. There's always the trains too. :-)

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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5-7 months savings is above average I would guess. Here's what I recommend: 1 - Get out of NYC fast!! Find the cheapest place you find comfortable and your 5-7 months savings will get you 12+ months. This does not need to be in the U.S. 2 - So you like coding? Ok, but what if for the next 5 years the world won't pay too well for coding? Are you prepared to get into other things? 3 - Don't Panic! Seriously. This is li…

1 - Get out of NYC fast!! How is he supposed to get funding, if he does that? http://paulgraham.com/startupmistakes.html 2. Bad Location Startups prosper in some places and not others. [...] It's an interesting question why cities become startup hubs, but the reason startups prosper in them is probably the same as it is for any industry: that's where the experts are. Standards are higher; people are more sympathetic…

that advice is for founders....which he is not

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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1 - Get out of NYC fast!! How is he supposed to get funding, if he does that? http://paulgraham.com/startupmistakes.html 2. Bad Location Startups prosper in some places and not others. [...] It's an interesting question why cities become startup hubs, but the reason startups prosper in them is probably the same as it is for any industry: that's where the experts are. Standards are higher; people are more sympathetic…

that advice is for founders....which he is not

OK. I stand corrected.

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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OK, but if you're only staying for a month, the air fare is going to ruin your budget.

It's not that bad. I think we flew for about $80 round trip. There's always the trains too. :-)

$80 is indeed great but the train is much more exciting ;-)

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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Relax. I have no problem living in New York on $3K/month gross pay. That's 36K/year. Since you are working at this startup for essentially free, you should be able to convince them that you actually can only afford to work there 3-4 days/week as opposed to 5-7 which is what you are probably doing right now. If you free up some time, you will be able to find some temporary/part-time consulting work doing database admi…

If he were to take your advice, maybe you could elaborate on the less obvious ways of saving money?

I should probably qualify my original post by saying that I don't think I could live on 36K/year in NYC indefinitely. If I didn't have the low-paying job, my runway would disappear in 5-6 months just like the OP. As it stands, I take about $250 out of my runway a month, which means it will last much longer.

I don't really know of "less obvious ways" - what I do seems to me fairly obvious.

1) Rent - I pay $620 a month for a room in Brooklyn that fits my needs in a large apartment where a lot of other people live that's 20 minutes away on the subway from Manhattan (where I would assume the OP works). That's fairly low by anyone's standards, and I intend to keep it that way. I know that if I were to move further out (or, let's say, move out of NYC) I would be able to get a larger place for that kind of money - but the point is that I don't need a larger place, so the "per-square-foot ratio" doesn't bother me at all. I have my own room. Ambient noise coming from the living room or from someone else's room is sometimes an issue (I live with musicians). Earplugs or headphones solve that.

The utilities are split between everyone in the house, the addition is fairly negligible.

1a) This is a somewhat unhelpful generalization, but it has been my experience that someone who was working for a hedge fund in New York is usually not the type of guy that will easily get along with a bunch of pot-smoking musicians that live in a recently gentrified but still somewhat ghetto neighborhood in Brooklyn. However, the OP left and became an entrepreneur, so his soul may still be intact.

2) Food - there was a post sometime ago on how do startups minimize on food expenses. I believe PG's quote was "Rice and beans. There's about 1000 variations".

3) Dating - don't go to expensive restaurants where you are going to lose $150 in one night. A coffee in a local coffee-shop and a walk in the park or on the riverfront - $10, and you are going to have a better time anyway.

4) Sell all your old computer equipment. That old IBM X31 sitting on your bottom shelf that you replaced with the MacBook Pro? You can get around $300 for it on craigslist or ebay.

5) This is an anti-saving tip, but will work in your favor in the end - don't compromise on health insurance.

6) Clothing - I have maybe 2 or 3 outfits that are "date" or "interview" worthy. The rest are crappy t-shirts that I have from college.

There's no silver bullet, to paraphrase Brooks. It's like optimizing your software: you look at what your most expensive expenditures are (profiling) and you try to minimize each one of them in order.

Re: Ask HN: 5-7 months of living expenses left; terrified. Advice?

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If he were to take your advice, maybe you could elaborate on the less obvious ways of saving money?

I should probably qualify my original post by saying that I don't think I could live on 36K/year in NYC indefinitely. If I didn't have the low-paying job, my runway would disappear in 5-6 months just like the OP. As it stands, I take about $250 out of my runway a month, which means it will last much longer. I don't really know of "less obvious ways" - what I do seems to me fairly obvious. 1) Rent - I pay $620 a month…

Beans and rice are fine for awhile. But when you get hungry for meat, find a park, lay out a net and a handful of that yummy cooked rice. Those city pigeons will gather round. They are very fat and tasty! Yummm! Relevant posts:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/07/does-pigeon-mea.h...

Or, if you don't want to be caught with a net see http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/127077/a_profession...

And here are some posts on trapping, dressing and cooking them: http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?p=206758

One post says pigeons were good city fare during the Great Depression.

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