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Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by exe34 »

dambi0 wrote: post #177
exe34 wrote: post #101

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Swedish: Vad har det med saken att göra? direct translation: what has this with the matter to do? meaning: what does this have to do with it? Where does understanding come in? I can imagine what understanding mean for mathematics, science, etc. but for language, I'm having difficulty figuring it out.

The understanding comes from knowing when to use that phrase compared with other phrases that might mean similar things. Idiomatic usage to some extent. If learning a language was just remembering direct phrases then machine translation would be trivial

right so "med saken" was the new word, I understood the rest of the phrase. so it took like 4 seconds to understand. it'll take about 10-20 reviews to remember it for good.

so the understanding took far less time than remembering. I could read a whole grammar book 10 times, but if I don't remember any of the words, then I'll never be able to write/say something.

having all the words on the tip of my tongue is no good for communication.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by wahnfrieden »

runarberg wrote: post #138
wahnfrieden wrote: post #134

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Thanks for sharing details I'd like to port my own flashcards app, Manabi from SM2 to FSRS so this is helpful I made this companion reader app as well, btw, for learning Japanese: https://reader.manabi.io

Nice. I jumped straight to FSRS so I can’t compare, but so far I have no regrets. One of my features is I progressively disappear the furigana in the included dictionary and example sentences, as the reading proficiency of the kanji increases (specifically at 99% retrievability) https://github.com/runarberg/shodoku/blob/main/src/helpers/f... This feature was very easy to implement as retrievability is inherent in the…

Very nice to have these modern setups under freer open source licenses. I have all my data synced to the client to work offline, so it's very nice having FSRS available on iOS & elsewhere (+ ability to run the rust one)

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by laurent_du »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #62
yamrzou wrote: post #22

Besides LineByLine ( https://linebyline.app ), does anyone have tips on memorizing long texts using spaced repetition?

I don't how well it works in practice for long texts, but for song lyrics I've used this Anki plugin: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2084557901 It takes a text, and creates a bunch of cloze deletion cards, each presenting you with a number of lines, and asking you to recall the next line.

No offense but why don't you memorize the songs by singing them instead? I memorized hundreds of songs just by being a dad and singing to my kids every evening. Of all the things you'd want to remember, song lyrics look to me to be the easiest by far.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by laurent_du »

yanis_t wrote: post #31

I merged spaced repetition with knowledge management app ( ), and I must say it was the biggest personal improvement for me in terms of organising and remembering stuff. As a product though I struggle to make it work. I assume people mostly afraid of their notes and cards stored in the cloud vs local storage, which is understandable. https://www.mindthis.io/

Logseq does it already and is well-established. Probably other solutions like Obsidian can do the same. It's a tough market to be in.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by dambi0 »

exe34 wrote: post #181
dambi0 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The understanding comes from knowing when to use that phrase compared with other phrases that might mean similar things. Idiomatic usage to some extent. If learning a language was just remembering direct phrases then machine translation would be trivial

right so "med saken" was the new word, I understood the rest of the phrase. so it took like 4 seconds to understand. it'll take about 10-20 reviews to remember it for good. so the understanding took far less time than remembering. I could read a whole grammar book 10 times, but if I don't remember any of the words, then I'll never be able to write/say something. having all the words on the tip of my tongue is no good…

I understand the English words you are using. I’m still not convinced I understand what you are saying. In this particular case recall doesn’t seem to be the problem.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by exe34 »

dambi0 wrote: post #185
exe34 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

right so "med saken" was the new word, I understood the rest of the phrase. so it took like 4 seconds to understand. it'll take about 10-20 reviews to remember it for good. so the understanding took far less time than remembering. I could read a whole grammar book 10 times, but if I don't remember any of the words, then I'll never be able to write/say something. having all the words on the tip of my tongue is no good…

I understand the English words you are using. I’m still not convinced I understand what you are saying. In this particular case recall doesn’t seem to be the problem.

I think it's possible we're not in disagreement at all, but I'm struggling to express the issue: to me, "recall" is the task that takes all the effort, "understanding" is pretty much instant. Therefore "recall" is the bottleneck between me now and me using the word in a conversation or piece of writing.

But it's possible that we have conflicting ideas of what recall/understanding means.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by david_allison »

nilsherzig wrote: post #178
david_allison wrote: post #114

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SuperMemo 19 (2024 - Desktop/Windows) has incremental reading support https://super-memory.com/help/read.htm Disclaimer: AnkiDroid maintainer

Thank you so much for your work on Anki Droid, I use it daily

Much appreciated, thank you!

Still got a long way to go for me to be happy, but we make great progress every year

https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/ankidroid-2024-roundup-2-20-1-c...

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by socksy »

runarberg wrote: post #70

I wrote a kanji learning app around Anki’s Flexable Spaced Repetition (FSRS) algorithm https://shodoku.app My design principal is that I don’t need to be limited to few words, a sentence, and maybe a picture for each flash card. Instead each flashcard can be the all the relevant parts of the whole dictionary related to the kanji that you are learning. Another design principal (where I deviate from Wankikani) is that…

Random bit of UX feedback. When on https://shodoku.app/decks/add the + symbol means to add the deck, but in the interface even knowing that I accidentally pressed it 3 or 4 times to try and fold back the kanji after having clicked "show".

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by bluGill »

pessimizer wrote: post #159
bluGill wrote: post #115

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You know what is more effective than spaced repitition? Reading, listening, and doing to the thing you are interested in. Anki gives you fact that are disjointed from what you need. using the skill forces a study of what is important not facts that are of no use. i'm not saying spaced repititon is useless - it is a great beginners tool. However you need to move on as soon as possible. once you can use the skill that…

> You know what is more effective than spaced repitition? Reading, listening, and doing to the thing you are interested in. No, they are not more effective, they are less effective. The fact that they are less effective is the only reason that people do spaced repetition. It takes less time to learn a fact if you optimize for the way memory works. Reading, listening, and doing the thing you are interested in builds m…

When reading/listening and doing you encounter thousands of facts/words/whatever in the same amount of time spaced repetition will give you tens. If you are a complete beginner spaced repetition does well, but that is misleading - it does well in the easy to study situation of someone who knows nothing and doesn't examine the much harder to study place where someone knows a little something where you spend most of your time.

If you know nothing, spaced repetition can get you over that initial hump well. However I maintain that you quickly reach a point where you are beyond that and then space repetition is less useful than other courses of study in general. Use well it can still be a supplement to other study methods, but those others should be the priority.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by mystified5016 »

oa335 wrote: post #162
mystified5016 wrote: post #94

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As someone actually on this end of the spectrum, I agree with you. The thing that I feel makes my brain and my methodology special is that I can make a single pass through a body of work and internalize just enough of the information. This then ends up as something analogous to a table of weak pointers. I keep a sort of abstract digest of the information in the mental database and I use it to go look up hardcopy when…

> The process is all about knowing what is possible and drawing paths through the graph of possibilities. The details aren't relevant until the implementation stage when you'd be accessing reference materials anyway. Well put. But in that case, couldn’t you utilize SRS to memorizing high level concepts (e.g., coarse characteristics of various algorithms as opposed to how they are actually implemented, etc)

Probably, but that's really only helpful if you need that piece of information regularly. In the way that I work, it's not necessary. If a particular problem domain pops up frequently enough that I'd need to drill on it, the act of working the problem provides the repetition.

In general, I don't find techniques like this helpful. My brain is just really good at holding the overall concept of what I read. Once I've digested the information, the abstract is logged in the database forever. But that's just the autistic nature of my brain, I think.

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