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Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by untog »

Lewisham wrote: post #70
davej wrote: post #55

I still can't believe the 'skeuomorphic' interfaces for Calendar and Reminders made it into the final version of Mountain Lion. These apps are often in the corner of the screen while working with different applications; they should be minimal and not full of harsh textures and deep bevels. Also, they're just plain ugly. Here's a screenshot for those not familiar: http://f.cl.ly/items/3R0I3X2Y041b091l0j1w/Screen%20Sho…

This doesn't seem like it is going to change. Ever. The course Apple was on software-wise when Jobs passed away Apple seems terrified of moving away from, even when it was clear at the time that desktop was not getting full attention over iOS. No one in software at Apple seems to have the vision required to make positive changes, rather than cribbing from iOS as the Lions have. Jonny Ive can keep hardware running wel…

I've been considering a fulltime move to Linux for a long time, but have yet to take the plunge- I tried a few years ago, but the driver support for my Macbook was less than great.

Now, Lion seems to have slowed down my 2010 Macbook Air- at times it absolutely crawls when I'm positive it never used to. Is there anyone out there running Ubuntu full time who can say how good driver support is? In particular the trackpad- I've never had a perfect trackpad experience outside of OS X, Windows hasn't been able to do it either.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by danneu »

davej wrote: post #55

I still can't believe the 'skeuomorphic' interfaces for Calendar and Reminders made it into the final version of Mountain Lion. These apps are often in the corner of the screen while working with different applications; they should be minimal and not full of harsh textures and deep bevels. Also, they're just plain ugly. Here's a screenshot for those not familiar: http://f.cl.ly/items/3R0I3X2Y041b091l0j1w/Screen%20Sho…

I understand what's not to like about it, but I actually like that screenshot. Mostly because of the visual differentiation.

There's a limit, of course. I saw a screenshot of Mountain Lion where Reminders was a yellow legal pad with scratchy red coloring-pencil markouts on finished reminders. That was harsh.

But I find even the ugly examples are almost always superior to the days of uniform chrome like the Win2000 era: http://cdn.ttgtmedia.com/digitalguide/images/Misc/da_screen.... -- where you could squint your eyes and become unable to tell apart the programs on screen.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

#83

Post by jpxxx »

spartango wrote: post #50
prezjordan wrote: post #8

So how much is it going to break once I update? I need my Mac for work today - I guess I'll hold off for now.

For a long list of compatible and incompatible apps, check out Roaring Apps( http://roaringapps.com/apps:table )

This site is wonderful, thank you. Here's a quick list I pulled of common apps with Mountain Lion problems.

The Sims TiVo Desktop Hulu Desktop Virtualbox 4 VMWare Fusion 3 Perian LogMeIn MacPorts MailTags MacFuse for NTFS DynDNS Updater Epson Printer Utility 4 Filemaker Autocad Candybar Chax Minor CS5.x Apps Dragondictate Dymo Label

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by dr42 »

shadesandcolour wrote: post #77
davej wrote: post #55

I still can't believe the 'skeuomorphic' interfaces for Calendar and Reminders made it into the final version of Mountain Lion. These apps are often in the corner of the screen while working with different applications; they should be minimal and not full of harsh textures and deep bevels. Also, they're just plain ugly. Here's a screenshot for those not familiar: http://f.cl.ly/items/3R0I3X2Y041b091l0j1w/Screen%20Sho…

My take on skeuomorphism has always been ambivalent. Unless the interface really takes away from your productivity, and having to click one or two extra buttons doesn't count, then it's alright by me. Anyone complaining about the visual aspect of it is really complaining to complain.

We're past the point where the operating system is just about productivity. Computers are used by everyone to do a vast number of things, people live their lives with their computers and how they look (the apps) is a part of that.

You don't need a window in your office to improve your productivity, but it certainly makes life more livable when surrounded by well designed and beautiful things.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by dr42 »

untog wrote: post #81
Lewisham wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem like it is going to change. Ever. The course Apple was on software-wise when Jobs passed away Apple seems terrified of moving away from, even when it was clear at the time that desktop was not getting full attention over iOS. No one in software at Apple seems to have the vision required to make positive changes, rather than cribbing from iOS as the Lions have. Jonny Ive can keep hardware running wel…

I've been considering a fulltime move to Linux for a long time, but have yet to take the plunge- I tried a few years ago, but the driver support for my Macbook was less than great. Now, Lion seems to have slowed down my 2010 Macbook Air- at times it absolutely crawls when I'm positive it never used to. Is there anyone out there running Ubuntu full time who can say how good driver support is? In particular the trackpa…

I don't think it's lion to blame, I too have the 2010 air with lion and it runs just fine. Maybe spend some time with ps and find what process is eating your CPU. I'm not using file vault, maybe that's adding some overhead. I would recommend upgrading the hardware though, the resale on the 2010 air is pretty good, so moving to a 2012 isn't going to cost you much. I tried Linux on mine and it was a real pain.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by secoif »

untog wrote: post #81
Lewisham wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem like it is going to change. Ever. The course Apple was on software-wise when Jobs passed away Apple seems terrified of moving away from, even when it was clear at the time that desktop was not getting full attention over iOS. No one in software at Apple seems to have the vision required to make positive changes, rather than cribbing from iOS as the Lions have. Jonny Ive can keep hardware running wel…

I've been considering a fulltime move to Linux for a long time, but have yet to take the plunge- I tried a few years ago, but the driver support for my Macbook was less than great. Now, Lion seems to have slowed down my 2010 Macbook Air- at times it absolutely crawls when I'm positive it never used to. Is there anyone out there running Ubuntu full time who can say how good driver support is? In particular the trackpa…

Are you running time machine? Time machine brings my SSD MBP to a crawl.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by hnriot »

chucknelson wrote: post #80
shadesandcolour wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take on skeuomorphism has always been ambivalent. Unless the interface really takes away from your productivity, and having to click one or two extra buttons doesn't count, then it's alright by me. Anyone complaining about the visual aspect of it is really complaining to complain.

I agree - they look fine. Everyone needs to stop over-analyzing.

Actually everyone needs to stay analyzing, that's how we make progress.

The steam engine's fine, everyone needs to stop over analyzing.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by cageface »

shadesandcolour wrote: post #77
davej wrote: post #55

I still can't believe the 'skeuomorphic' interfaces for Calendar and Reminders made it into the final version of Mountain Lion. These apps are often in the corner of the screen while working with different applications; they should be minimal and not full of harsh textures and deep bevels. Also, they're just plain ugly. Here's a screenshot for those not familiar: http://f.cl.ly/items/3R0I3X2Y041b091l0j1w/Screen%20Sho…

My take on skeuomorphism has always been ambivalent. Unless the interface really takes away from your productivity, and having to click one or two extra buttons doesn't count, then it's alright by me. Anyone complaining about the visual aspect of it is really complaining to complain.

Aesthetics matter. Whe you look at how much more progressive The new Windows and Android UIs are this kind of thing starts to look like something from a sidebar ad in the New Yorker: cheesy trash designed to make rich people feel good about spending too much money.

Re: OS X Mountain Lion available on the Mac App Store

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Post by hnriot »

rilindo wrote: post #58
fredsted wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Also, your SSD probably does garbage collection without the need for TRIM.

FWIW, when I upgraded to ML, my boot time was cut down from 20 seconds to 5. Awesome.

While boot times make for good review copy, how often does anyone actually reboot a Mac these days? Once a year?
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