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If the goal is for you to be understood in a foreign language, this will become possible in the near future with real time translation with something as simple as an AirPod. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WzUnEfiIqP4
Sure but being understood and expressing yourself are not the same.
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but: of all the really brilliant people I've ever met, interacted with or learned from, I haven't heard of anyone that used techniques like this. Like, the way they learn things and become brilliant is the exact same way every brilliant person has done it for thousands of years: they read books, they discuss and debate with other brilliant people, they study their subjects and…
As someone actually on this end of the spectrum, I agree with you. The thing that I feel makes my brain and my methodology special is that I can make a single pass through a body of work and internalize just enough of the information. This then ends up as something analogous to a table of weak pointers. I keep a sort of abstract digest of the information in the mental database and I use it to go look up hardcopy when…
Well put. But in that case, couldn’t you utilize SRS to memorizing high level concepts (e.g., coarse characteristics of various algorithms as opposed to how they are actually implemented, etc)
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I used it for language learning and CS among other things. The thing is, life gets busy. Suddenly you have a kid or two. Spaced Repetition falls into the same category of things that people in their 20s do because they have too much time, like using intricate note taking systems, journaling, training for triathlons and being really into artisanal coffee.
You can do Anki while commuting, if you use public transport. Then it's just free time. If you don't use that, then you have to use your time dedicated to learning, where Anki is probably more efficient than your learning method anyway.
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> Aristotle, Leibniz, Einstein or whatever brilliant person you can think of didn't become who they are using cue-cards. Indeed, but I think that being relevant assumes that people using these techniques believe it will somehow make them brilliant/geniuses. > Spaced repetition always seemed like those schemes to get you fit or slim in 30 days that never work. I'm not arguing for spaced repetition, but the whole point…
> I'm not arguing for spaced repetition, but the whole point is you do some amount every day (or as needed) for the rest of your life (within reason). So it's not equivalent to get fit/slim quick at all, it's more about disciplined improvement of yourself. If that isn't effective for you don't do it, but based on your comment it seems like you're coming at it from the wrong angle. Fair enough, I haven't looked into s…
> The way to do that is to just read books, study, work hard in your chosen field and keep up with the latest developments.
These are the same things, just a different form.
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Learning isn't only about becoming brilliant. For me personally, spaced repetition is one of the best tools to aid language learning. Classes and such are great for your main progression, but spaced repetition is the way to make the vocabulary actually stick.
Actually consuming content in any form is even better.
And going over pieces of said content in some sort of structured scheduled form isn't "consuming"?
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but: of all the really brilliant people I've ever met, interacted with or learned from, I haven't heard of anyone that used techniques like this. Like, the way they learn things and become brilliant is the exact same way every brilliant person has done it for thousands of years: they read books, they discuss and debate with other brilliant people, they study their subjects and…
You're right that nobody became brilliant through spaced repetition. But spaced repetition is not meant for that. Spaced repetition is not meant for conceptual things or skills. It's meant for only the simplest of facts. It's meant particularly for foreign language vocab, names and quantities in medical school, names of cases in law school, that sort of thing. It has little to no relevance in math, physics, and engin…
This is more a lack of imagination on your part than necessarily an issue with SRS.
Wozniak estimates that you actually get a maximum of~300,000 based on his decades of data, so it seems the simplified model misses some effect and so converges to the wrong total: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/How_much_knowledge_can_human_bra...
I wish to see a FOSS incremental reading application in the very least, such an underrated concept.
Wozniak estimates that you actually get a maximum of~300,000 based on his decades of data, so it seems the simplified model misses some effect and so converges to the wrong total: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/How_much_knowledge_can_human_bra...
Wozniak is incredible, it saddens me that SuperMemo will probably drift into obscurity due to being closed source and the chances of seeing its source code drift away day by day, it took a few years to get anything beyond IE support after that died. I wish to see a FOSS incremental reading application in the very least, such an underrated concept.
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Because realistically doing your Anki cards should take 10-30 minutes a day, maximum. If you can’t slog through 30 minutes of learning vocabulary/etc. then the thing you’re learning isn’t very important to you. SRS isn’t about doing flash cards for hours on end, it’s about determining the maximum retention rate while doing the minimum amount of work. Even then, personally I don’t find Anki that boring at all. But I m…
You know what is more effective than spaced repitition? Reading, listening, and doing to the thing you are interested in. Anki gives you fact that are disjointed from what you need. using the skill forces a study of what is important not facts that are of no use. i'm not saying spaced repititon is useless - it is a great beginners tool. However you need to move on as soon as possible. once you can use the skill that…
I built and ran the academic side of a language school for four years, worked on two language learning startups and also learned two languages in different language families from my native language (and from each other) to a pretty fluent level.
In all those years I’ve never met a single really successful learner who made SRS a major part of their studies, though some used it as a small supplementary practice.
The thing is that words aren’t usually discrete pieces of information in the way that names of capitals or things a med student has to memorize often are (unless your goal is just to play scrabble with them, in which case SRS is great). Meanings don’t map one to one across languages, collocations are important , etc, etc. Putting sentence cards into Anki is better than isolation words with translations but even then, you won’t get as much cultural information or even raw quantity of input as you would from extensive reading and this is a topic L2 Acquisition researchers have covered in depth.
I think part of the problem is that SRS sounds really compelling to engineers and it’s generally easy to build into an app, so that’s been the focus of most language learning apps for the past 20 years.
There are some better ones that exist mostly to help learners handle native text and audio, though. LingQ, Language Reactor and language-specific apps that do similar things are great.