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Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by joshdavham »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #126
runarberg wrote: post #86

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I used the same binding for a kanji learning app ( https://shodoku.app ). I had some problems with their documentation though. Following their examples was pretty straightforward, but I always had trouble e.g. what is the difference between State.Learning and State.Relearning, or what does fuzzy mean in FSRS parameters, or reps on a Card. You have to either read the algorithm explainer or the Anki source code to unde…

Can’t read Anki source unless your work is GPL. Could you share the insights yourself?

Not all of Anki's source code is GPL. The FSRS implementation used within Anki is BSD, for example.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by joshdavham »

david_allison wrote: post #137
runarberg wrote: post #86

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I used the same binding for a kanji learning app ( https://shodoku.app ). I had some problems with their documentation though. Following their examples was pretty straightforward, but I always had trouble e.g. what is the difference between State.Learning and State.Relearning, or what does fuzzy mean in FSRS parameters, or reps on a Card. You have to either read the algorithm explainer or the Anki source code to unde…

On the Anki side: if you document it, I'll answer questions.

hey David :D

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by runarberg »

david_allison wrote: post #137
runarberg wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used the same binding for a kanji learning app ( https://shodoku.app ). I had some problems with their documentation though. Following their examples was pretty straightforward, but I always had trouble e.g. what is the difference between State.Learning and State.Relearning, or what does fuzzy mean in FSRS parameters, or reps on a Card. You have to either read the algorithm explainer or the Anki source code to unde…

On the Anki side: if you document it, I'll answer questions.

Thanks for your work. My issues were exclusively stuff like this page here: https://open-spaced-repetition.github.io/ts-fsrs/interfaces/...

It is great to have the docs well organized like this, what is missing is just a short explanation of what all those mean. The information is available, e.g. in the README or in the source code. So honestly it is just a minor annoyance, rather than a major issue. I was able to use ts-fsrs just fine actually.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by TwoNineFive »

orzig wrote: post #10

I have been wondering about this in the context of being ready for work in the age of LLM‘s. What nobody can deny is that they memorize information at a superhuman level, so it might reduce the value of having done that myself. On the other hand, “couldn’t you just google that“has been an erroneous retort to the value of space repetition for decades, during which I’ve gotten a lot of value out of doing. has been a er…

> during which I’ve gotten a lot of value out of doing. has been a erroneous retort to the value of space repetition for decades, during which I’ve gotten a lot of value out of doing it.

I imagine spaced repetition is not actually a cause of repeating yourself. That's just caused by being too lazy to proofread before you post.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by jamager »

sunnybeetroot wrote: post #120
jamager wrote: post #87

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Spaced repetition is the cherry on the cake: learn by practicing, but create your own cards along the way, and when reviewing just focus on making a recall effort, not nailing everything. For language, 10-20 mins / day is great, and if you are putting enough effort, 6-8 reps is enough to learn a card with 2 new concepts at ~15secs / rep, which really makes a difference long term. I made a tool[1] with that approach i…

Wow this looks great! Reminds me a bit of Mochi.cards

Thanks! Still polishing a few corners...

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by david_allison »

runarberg wrote: post #143
david_allison wrote: post #137

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On the Anki side: if you document it, I'll answer questions.

Thanks for your work. My issues were exclusively stuff like this page here: https://open-spaced-repetition.github.io/ts-fsrs/interfaces/... It is great to have the docs well organized like this, what is missing is just a short explanation of what all those mean. The information is available, e.g. in the README or in the source code. So honestly it is just a minor annoyance, rather than a major issue. I was able to us…

It's fine for MIT work.

The Anki database format is still pretty opaque, despite a few efforts over the years, and it would be great to open some of this this up to allow apps to export apkgs

It doesn't help that our wiki is noindexed by GitHub: https://github.com/ankidroid/Anki-Android/wiki/Database-Stru...

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by david_allison »

hinkley wrote: post #140
david_allison wrote: post #136

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There was a HN post a few months ago, [sadly I can't find it] which correlated healthy sleep with faster card answering times in Anki. I haven't used Supermemo, but believe it has fairly strong sleep tracking capabilities. I've dabbled about doing the same in AnkiDroid. We could pull data from Android Health, and do something interesting with it, but we've got hundreds of other things to do, Google will probably pull…

I complained on that one about how repeating tests like this usually results in better answers over time so the fact the author saw the same results may mean no negative effects, or just very slow decline. Which tells us something interesting but doesn’t mean it’s necessarily harmless. You have to be careful and spread your tests over a bunch of subjects to find the patterns.

Interesting! Thanks for the insights. Do you happen to have the link to hand so I can delve into it, rather than refer to it anecdotally?

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by bmacho »

purplethinking wrote: post #75
runarberg wrote: post #72

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I think the mistake here is simply to many new cards a day. If you miss a week and have 863 reps, you definitely are going way too fast. You shouldn’t have to spend more than 5-20 minutes daily going over your review, and if you miss a week you shouldn’t need more than two or three half hour sessions to catch up. I think there are diminishing returns as well by having to many daily new cards, as there is only so much…

I used it for language learning and CS among other things. The thing is, life gets busy. Suddenly you have a kid or two. Spaced Repetition falls into the same category of things that people in their 20s do because they have too much time, like using intricate note taking systems, journaling, training for triathlons and being really into artisanal coffee.

You can do Anki while commuting, if you use public transport. Then it's just free time.

If you don't use that, then you have to use your time dedicated to learning, where Anki is probably more efficient than your learning method anyway.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

iwsk wrote: post #58
yapyap wrote: post #52

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LLMs memorize information at a superhuman level the same way an 8 tb harddisk does. Silly.

Actually it's way easier to search for the information in an LLM compared to an 8 tb harddisk. The search is vague, and the result is nondeterministic, but in a lot of cases it's still the better method. https://fchollet.substack.com/i/137628402/llms-as-program-da... I like the way this article puts it. "LLM is a continuous, interpolative kind of database"

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