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Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Fine but what to use in practice. Tried Anki and found its algorithm bit infuriating. SuperMemo is better but thoroughly proprietary.

Have you tried Anki since FSRS was introduced? If not, may be worth giving it another shot.

Sorry what is FSRS? And when was it released?

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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post #9

Spaced repetition is an excellent technique, but it shouldn't be the only tool in your learning toolbox. I found that spaced repetition really works as advertised, with software like Anki. However, it is not really suited at learning large amount of facts and concepts. If it took an hour to review your deck, it's not a good use of your time unless the cards are really high value. For example, if I want to learn elect…

Most people don't use space repetition as their only study technique, they just use it for 10-15 min and spend most of their time actually doing the thong to learn, for I with language learning, I do 10-15min of anki and 45-90 lf language immersion.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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post #2

Fine but what to use in practice. Tried Anki and found its algorithm bit infuriating. SuperMemo is better but thoroughly proprietary.

I never got try the algorithm - I simply don’t get the UI in spite of all my best efforts. I’m looking for a wanikani like tool, with the same srs , and same excellent and simple ui. I’ll have a look at supermemo ( I don’t mind paying ).

If you’re looking for a vocabulary tool, I just released an app for this: https://deft.so. It uses FSRS, which I’ve found to be perfect for me.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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post #9

Spaced repetition is an excellent technique, but it shouldn't be the only tool in your learning toolbox. I found that spaced repetition really works as advertised, with software like Anki. However, it is not really suited at learning large amount of facts and concepts. If it took an hour to review your deck, it's not a good use of your time unless the cards are really high value. For example, if I want to learn elect…

Most people don't use space repetition as their only study technique, they just use it for 10-15 min and spend most of their time actually doing the thong to learn, for I with language learning, I do 10-15min of anki and 45-90 lf language immersion.

In fact you shouldn't use Anki for learning itself - put cards only when you're ready, when you have been taught them, and then use spaced repetition for recall.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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post #10

I have been wondering about this in the context of being ready for work in the age of LLM‘s. What nobody can deny is that they memorize information at a superhuman level, so it might reduce the value of having done that myself. On the other hand, “couldn’t you just google that“has been an erroneous retort to the value of space repetition for decades, during which I’ve gotten a lot of value out of doing. has been a er…

A software-based spaced repetition system probably could have made someone appear borderline superhuman in the era before Google. Google cleared a lot of this low-hanging fruit, and then it became "merely" the best way to cram facts into your noggin so you can become an expert at whatever you want, which is still extremely valuable. Your doctor probably used SRS to get through medical school, and now look at how much money they're making. For most professions, nothing -> Google was probably a much bigger jump than Google -> LLMs, so I expect that to still largely be the case.

TL;DR: SRS is, perhaps counterintuitively, most useful for those of us seeking true mastery over something.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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The redundant nature of mass scale internet content operates on spaced repetition I think. If you doom scroll HN for example, over time you’ll know more about random things. WSB might be a better example. I didn’t realize how many stock ticker prices and movements over the last few years are now embedded in my mind, without deliberately trying.

This is the 1000th time you’ll have read the same thing. The hivemind naturally regurgitates the same information at a predictable cadence. We’re due for a few Rust posts on HN, for example.

If you stay tapped in, you will always be learning from this organic body.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't use space repetition as their only study technique, they just use it for 10-15 min and spend most of their time actually doing the thong to learn, for I with language learning, I do 10-15min of anki and 45-90 lf language immersion.

In fact you shouldn't use Anki for learning itself - put cards only when you're ready, when you have been taught them, and then use spaced repetition for recall.

what does it mean to have learnt a word if you can't recall it?

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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post #2

Fine but what to use in practice. Tried Anki and found its algorithm bit infuriating. SuperMemo is better but thoroughly proprietary.

Have you tried Anki since FSRS was introduced? If not, may be worth giving it another shot.

Did not know they added it, thanks for the info.

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried Anki since FSRS was introduced? If not, may be worth giving it another shot.

Sorry what is FSRS? And when was it released?

It's a new algorithm that was integrated into the Anki codebase from a very popular add-on, maybe around 2023 or so. I switched over to it basically immediately, and it works like a charm.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39002138

Re: Spaced repetition can allow for infinite recall (2022)

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post #4

This is putting the cart before the horse. No matter how you slice and dice your equations, everyone intuitively understands you can't really store infinite data in your brain. Trying to claim otherwise is simply academic sophistry. No matter how hard you write your proof, it won't make information theory, basic physics, etc go away.

This is a math exercise, it assumes an infinitely long lived person, as well as a lot of simplifications. That's the same kind of arguments that can make sailboats go infinitely fast as long as there is any kind of wind.

It is not useless. It tells you essentially two things. First, it shows the limits of your model. If you have proven that sailboats can go infinitely fast, which is obviously not the case in reality, then it is an indication that your model is incomplete and you have to refine it until it stops giving out nonsense, or establish its limits. Second, it shows that what you have taken into account in your model is not what limits the speed of sailboats or memory recall.

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