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USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

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Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

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post #15

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> But at that mechanistic level, so does the President. He isn’t personally escorting her out of the office. Fair enough, I strongly hope a good number of folks within the government show a backbone and resist unlawful or abusive orders however they can. Unfortunately those same people can easily be fired and replaced with somebody appropriately loyal (as is already happening). So, unfortunately, I'm not terribly opt…

> resist unlawful or abusive orders These firings don’t appear to be unlawful or abusive. They’re sloppy. But he has the power to fire them.

Inspectors General have a special provision in the law regarding removal or relocation:

> The removal procedure for presidentially appointed IGs is found in Title 5, Section 403(b), which reads in part An Inspector General may be removed from office by the President. If an Inspector General is removed from office or is transferred to another position or location within an establishment, the President shall communicate in writing the substantive rationale, including detailed and case-specific reasons for any such removal or transfer to both Houses of Congress (including the appropriate congressional committees), not later than 30 days before the removal or transfer. Nothing in this subsection shall prohibit a personnel action otherwise authorized by law, other than transfer or removal.

So it's illegal because he didn't notify Congress in advance. That statute was enacted in 2022 specifically to prevent abuses of power such as this.

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#32
post #10

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> who’s going to enforce it? This is the real danger of where we’re at right now. We are currently at a point where the President has a stacked Supreme Court that had already showed they’re willing to take his side almost no matter what. There is now effectively no check against the executive branch because of that. Papers are already running stories about how Congress is just letting him loose, with these Inspectors…

We are on the brink of a fascist dictatorship and hardly anyone is noticing or taking it seriously.

Really? It seemed to me that people were shouting it from the rooftops prior to the election.

And then the Democrats were accused of only taking about the threat to Democracy instead of the price of eggs.

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#33
post #21

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https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11546 "The removal procedure for presidentially appointed IGs is found in Title 5, Section 403(b), which reads in part An Inspector General may be removed from office by the President. If an Inspector General is removed from office or is transferred to another position or location within an establishment, the President shall communicate in writing the substantive ratio…

> the President shall communicate in writing the substantive rationale, including detailed and case-specific reasons for any such removal or transfer to both Houses of Congress (including the appropriate congressional committees), not later than 30 days before the removal or transfer So worst case, they’re legally fired a month from a few days ago and are owed back pay. This seems much ado about nothing.

Well people are also upset about the whole "President not respecting obligations to Congress" thing.

Any normal president wouldn't conduct the removal without being able to provide the substantive rationale. Which is then evidence Congress has about how the president is conducting his duties. Like "is this rationale consistent with the stated goals of increased efficiency".

Trump doesn't even care enough to make something up.

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#34
post #14

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The law says that he has to notify Congress with a good reason for the dismissal.

> he has to notify Congress with a good reason He just has to notify. The law doesn’t give the Congress nor judges discretion over whether the reasons are good. Just detailed.

Well, until they are used as evidence in an impeachment trial.

Which of course isn't likely to happen in this case...

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#35
post #30

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It's a comical comparison. Similar to the left using the word "fascism" with no real grasp on the actual meaning. It's just name-calling.

I’m not on the left but I know what fascism is, and this is both the same strategy and same ideology. The only reason I can think of to say it’s not is if you genuinely want fascism- but are worried the negative connotations of the label might prevent it from succeeding. They’re openly using the publicly disclosed strategies of fascist blogger and author Curtis Yarvin for example- he was invited to the inauguration a…

Just learned about that guy Curtis Yarvin and his "Butterfly Revolution" today

"DARK GOTHIC MAGA: How Tech Billionaires Plan to Destroy America" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

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> he has to notify Congress with a good reason He just has to notify. The law doesn’t give the Congress nor judges discretion over whether the reasons are good. Just detailed.

Well, until they are used as evidence in an impeachment trial. Which of course isn't likely to happen in this case...

> Which of course isn't likely to happen in this case

No. But that's in the hands of the American people. A simple majority in the house to impeach and 67 votes in the Senate to convict. 34 seats are up for election in 2026 [1]. Dems only have 47 seats, and a 20-seat pick-up is almost impossible. But if Indiana, Kansas, Texas, Ohio, Kentucky, South Carolina and Florida [2] swung, that could convince moderate Republicans to convict.

Of course, we'd then have the practical matter of getting him out of the White House...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_elec...

[2] https://www.270towin.com/2026-senate-election/

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#37
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11546 "The removal procedure for presidentially appointed IGs is found in Title 5, Section 403(b), which reads in part An Inspector General may be removed from office by the President. If an Inspector General is removed from office or is transferred to another position or location within an establishment, the President shall communicate in writing the substantive ratio…

> the President shall communicate in writing the substantive rationale, including detailed and case-specific reasons for any such removal or transfer to both Houses of Congress (including the appropriate congressional committees), not later than 30 days before the removal or transfer So worst case, they’re legally fired a month from a few days ago and are owed back pay. This seems much ado about nothing.

Well, there's the whole Presidential obligation from the Constitution that the President "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed". No big deal. I'm sure it's fine he can pick and choose.

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#38
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who’s going to enforce it? This is the real danger of where we’re at right now. We are currently at a point where the President has a stacked Supreme Court that had already showed they’re willing to take his side almost no matter what. There is now effectively no check against the executive branch because of that. Papers are already running stories about how Congress is just letting him loose, with these Inspectors…

We are on the brink of a fascist dictatorship and hardly anyone is noticing or taking it seriously.

It is extremely difficult to take seriously.

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#39
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a comical comparison. Similar to the left using the word "fascism" with no real grasp on the actual meaning. It's just name-calling.

I’m not on the left but I know what fascism is, and this is both the same strategy and same ideology. The only reason I can think of to say it’s not is if you genuinely want fascism- but are worried the negative connotations of the label might prevent it from succeeding. They’re openly using the publicly disclosed strategies of fascist blogger and author Curtis Yarvin for example- he was invited to the inauguration a…

>I know what fascism is

It doesn't seem like you do. I think if you're to make a claim, you should substantiate it. Simply calling "Curtis Yarvin", someone with only the most tangential relation to the Trump campaign - and I'm being generous because that's the directive here - a fascist is actually precisely the name-calling I outlined.

The next steps are

A. You define fascism and your understanding of it specifically.

B. You substantiate how Trump is "fascist" in a way that isn't simple name-calling. You'll have to be careful here because comparing Trump to actual murderous regimes is going to be highly tenuous inherently.

A note: simply providing outrageous things that Curtis Yarvin has said to guffaw at also won't suffice. Fascism has a very specific meaning. It is a philosophy very contemporaneous to the 30s and 40s with very specific influences, thinkers, and an intellectual tradition that most people aren't actually familiar with and authors you've likely never read because they simply haven't been translated to English or aren't very popular in Western philosophical tradition for obvious reasons.

Also, it bears mentioning that Curtis Yarvin is a Jew and calling him a fascist has another layer of incredulity attached.

Re: USDA Inspector General Who Refused to Leave Escorted from Office by Security

#40
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law says that he has to notify Congress with a good reason for the dismissal.

> he has to notify Congress with a good reason He just has to notify. The law doesn’t give the Congress nor judges discretion over whether the reasons are good. Just detailed.

"...the President shall communicate in writing the substantive rationale, including detailed and case-specific reasons for any such removal or transfer to both Houses of Congress (including the appropriate congressional committees), not later than 30 days before the removal or transfer."

It's a bit more than "detailed". And he didn't even try to meet any of the elements above. It's essentially a loyalty purge.

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