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String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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zozbot234 wrote: post #87
nkurz wrote: post #49

Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

> almost all the members of this group are trans. The Zizians.info site (linked by one of the HN posts re: this story) mentions that the Zizians did target people who identified as transgender for indoctrination, so this is not really surprising. People who are undergoing this kind of stress and marginalization may well be more vulnerable to such tactics.

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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nkurz wrote: post #49

Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by sixo »

metalman wrote: post #61

Holly crap, it reads like the anti Electric coolaid acid test, with petty revenge ,guns, and murder dejour,instead of , instead of, well, an epic road party that is still going......bobby just played the gramys...there were glitches with the sound system and they raised 15 mill I like some of what Aella has written, but had no idea that ,Rationalists, had just rebranded nialistic hate.....so cleverly.

Well they haven't. It's one group of fewer than 10 people, considerably removed from "the rationalists" as this point.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by tsimionescu »

k8sToGo wrote: post #89
iamthepieman wrote: post #59

This story happened in my backyard. The shootout was about 40 minutes from me but Youngblut and Felix Bauckholt were reported by a hotel clerk dressed in tactical gear and sporting firearms in a hotel a few blocks from me. Weird to see a community I followed show up so close to home and negatively like this. I always just read LW and appreciated some of the fundamentals that this group seems to have ignored. Stuff li…

Why does a hotel clerk wear tactical gear and guns?

That sentence was slightly awkward, the hotel clerk reported that those two people were in tactical gear with guns.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by duxup »

morpheos137 wrote: post #92

Transgender technology cult that kills people somehow doesn't seem "rationalist" to me but who am I to judge.

With religion I think we largely just go with "this is what the group identifies themselves with / as" and leave it as that.

Arguably the politically active "religious right" in the US has long since abandoned most everything Jesus had to offer. We still identify them as such.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by tsimionescu »

nkurz wrote: post #49

Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

In what way is this supposed to be a relevant detail? Unless you think that they are killing people because they are trans, why should you report that they are part of a marginalized group? If they were mostly blondes or had freckles, should that be part of the story too?

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by eqmvii »

dang wrote: post #84

After puzzling over the threads on this head-spinning story, my sense is that maybe the most neutral thing to do is re-up this submission of a news report and merge most of the comments hither. The other recent threads are/were: The Zizians (2020) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42898323 The Zizians and the rationalist death cult - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42897871 Suspects in 2 murder cases shared…

i’ve seen so many posts about this on HN i can’t help but wonder if it’s a recruiting drive…
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