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String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by brokensegue »

romaaeterna wrote: post #68
Trasmatta wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NY Post tried to frame them as "radical leftist", but that's a big stretch. I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist. The article also seems to be leaning into the current "trans panic" - pretty typical for the NYP.

I also dislike Right/Left categorizations. Most people don't even know the history of the terms and their roots in the French Revolution. Though the "Cult of Reason" established then certainly had the Left categorization at the time. But is the trans element not a major part of this cult? It seemed to be from the linked story in the top link. But if there is something incorrect there, or false in the NYP reporting, y…

I don't think being trans is part of their beliefs or a requirement to be a member

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by falcor84 »

mwkaufma wrote: post #60
ksynwa wrote: post #57

I don't understand how the police encountered a bail-skipping presumed dead person at a crime scene and just let them go.

Cops are fundamentally lazy.

Unfortunately it seems that a cop's laziness is inversely correlated with the melanin in the suspect's skin.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by Trasmatta »

romaaeterna wrote: post #68
Trasmatta wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NY Post tried to frame them as "radical leftist", but that's a big stretch. I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist. The article also seems to be leaning into the current "trans panic" - pretty typical for the NYP.

I also dislike Right/Left categorizations. Most people don't even know the history of the terms and their roots in the French Revolution. Though the "Cult of Reason" established then certainly had the Left categorization at the time. But is the trans element not a major part of this cult? It seemed to be from the linked story in the top link. But if there is something incorrect there, or false in the NYP reporting, y…

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by romaaeterna »

brokensegue wrote: post #71
romaaeterna wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also dislike Right/Left categorizations. Most people don't even know the history of the terms and their roots in the French Revolution. Though the "Cult of Reason" established then certainly had the Left categorization at the time. But is the trans element not a major part of this cult? It seemed to be from the linked story in the top link. But if there is something incorrect there, or false in the NYP reporting, y…

I don't think being trans is part of their beliefs or a requirement to be a member

That zizians.info page makes several claims about their beliefs in regards to being trans, and both articles make claims about the number of trans people involved in the events described that, if true, seem to indicate large trans representation.

But all of this may be false information. I would like to hear specifics, if so.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by SilasX »

pjc50 wrote: post #11
mnky9800n wrote: post #3

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people can and do have mental illness. it doesn't absolve them from knowing right from wrong however.

We really need a phrase for "appears to behave normally in regular matters and is capable of independent living, does not match other DSM symptoms, but believes insane things". It's a very common component in mass shootings.

That would describe everyone who follows a major religion as well.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by romaaeterna »

Trasmatta wrote: post #73
romaaeterna wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also dislike Right/Left categorizations. Most people don't even know the history of the terms and their roots in the French Revolution. Though the "Cult of Reason" established then certainly had the Left categorization at the time. But is the trans element not a major part of this cult? It seemed to be from the linked story in the top link. But if there is something incorrect there, or false in the NYP reporting, y…

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If there was not a disproportionate number of trans people involved in these murders, then I hope that you can point to the specific elements of the story that were wrong.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by slooonz »

Trasmatta wrote: post #65
romaaeterna wrote: post #64

These people? https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/us-news/killing-of-border-patr... Is the appellation in the headline, "radical vegan trans cult," a true description? > Authorities now say the guns used by Youngblut and Bauckholt are owned by a person of interest in other murders — and connected to a mysterious cult of transgender “geniuses” who follow a trans leader named Jack LaSota, also known by the alias “Ziz.” Is al…

The NY Post tried to frame them as "radical leftist", but that's a big stretch. I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist. The article also seems to be leaning into the current "trans panic" - pretty typical for the NYP.

> I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist

Yes they do.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5FqX6XBJlfOShMd3U...

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by Trasmatta »

slooonz wrote: post #77
Trasmatta wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NY Post tried to frame them as "radical leftist", but that's a big stretch. I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist. The article also seems to be leaning into the current "trans panic" - pretty typical for the NYP.

> I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist Yes they do. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5FqX6XBJlfOShMd3U...

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by postepowanieadm »

slooonz wrote: post #77
Trasmatta wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NY Post tried to frame them as "radical leftist", but that's a big stretch. I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist. The article also seems to be leaning into the current "trans panic" - pretty typical for the NYP.

> I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist Yes they do. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5FqX6XBJlfOShMd3U...

Does it really matter? Nazis called themselves socialists.
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