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Reflections on Palantir

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Re: Reflections on Palantir

#41

I got Severance vibes from this blog about Palantir. But it sounds like they are a consulting company and a sort of ConnectAll (for those who use Jira, Rhapsody, DOORS, etc).

> I got Severance vibes from this blog about Palantir.

If our most immediate means of understanding the world are by relating it to fiction rather than history then it's likely we have a poor understanding of the world and reality.

Re: Reflections on Palantir

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post #41

I got Severance vibes from this blog about Palantir. But it sounds like they are a consulting company and a sort of ConnectAll (for those who use Jira, Rhapsody, DOORS, etc).

> I got Severance vibes from this blog about Palantir. If our most immediate means of understanding the world are by relating it to fiction rather than history then it's likely we have a poor understanding of the world and reality.

No? What do you think the point of fiction often is? Finding similarities between Severance and the real world (and vice versa) is the whole point of that work of fiction.

Re: Reflections on Palantir

#44

It feels like the moral section ignores the elephant in the room which is Peter Thiel's hostility to democracy and the more general far right swing in America. There's a difference between working on morally gray tech during normal times versus during times when there is every reason to believe that it WILL be significantly misused.

I wish the morality section were more direct - either admitting that the author has no issue with "grey areas" (a euphemism if I've ever seen one) or that money outweighs their moral concerns. That would feel more intellectually honest. When it comes to the morality of work, I think it's okay to be selfish with your ideals - whether that means prioritizing money over ethics or refusing to engage with something that c…

A lot of technical people seem to have no trouble with casually glossing over the ethics and morality of what they work on. Even here on HN, I regularly get downvotes for suggesting maybe developers should have some kind of ethical baseline below which they will refuse projects. Nope. Technical complexity, challenge, opportunity to learn a new technology, opportunity to do cutting edge research, and of course a fat stack of stock... all of these things routinely help us to justify working on the Torment Nexus. "Oh, I'm just moving protobufs around, I'm not the one doing evil with them" they will say. Or, instead, you'll see the justification: "Hey, I have five kids to feed. I can't just quit my job! Gotta do what boss tells me to do." This is how we slowly ended up where we are today with surveillance everywhere and coercion and behavior modification built into every tech product.

Re: Reflections on Palantir

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish the morality section were more direct - either admitting that the author has no issue with "grey areas" (a euphemism if I've ever seen one) or that money outweighs their moral concerns. That would feel more intellectually honest. When it comes to the morality of work, I think it's okay to be selfish with your ideals - whether that means prioritizing money over ethics or refusing to engage with something that c…

A lot of technical people seem to have no trouble with casually glossing over the ethics and morality of what they work on. Even here on HN, I regularly get downvotes for suggesting maybe developers should have some kind of ethical baseline below which they will refuse projects. Nope. Technical complexity, challenge, opportunity to learn a new technology, opportunity to do cutting edge research, and of course a fat s…

Can’t expect most individuals to decline a paycheck. However you can organize workers at these kinds of workplaces for real leverage (collective rather than individual, just like ownership and management does)

Re: Reflections on Palantir

#46

Interesting article. I find it interesting that they recommended a book about acting to their employees. The book is called "Impro".

Is it wrong to say that they are developing sociopaths in this fashion? Anyone ever read the book to say how it is applicable? If you were a client how would you feel about knowing that your interactions with your consultant were all an act? “Being a successful FDE required an unusual sensitivity to social context – what you really had to do was partner with your corporate (or government) counterparts at the highest…

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Re: Reflections on Palantir

#47
They are a consulting company that tries to do some element of product development in house. This is not a new strategy - all the big consultancies, agencies, etc have been on various forms of the path for the last 15-20 years.

The reality is there is sometimes a space for custom product dev, and sometimes better to rely on actual software/product providers that already have scale, market understanding, etc.

Re: Reflections on Palantir

#48

Interesting article. I find it interesting that they recommended a book about acting to their employees. The book is called "Impro".

Is it wrong to say that they are developing sociopaths in this fashion? Anyone ever read the book to say how it is applicable? If you were a client how would you feel about knowing that your interactions with your consultant were all an act? “Being a successful FDE required an unusual sensitivity to social context – what you really had to do was partner with your corporate (or government) counterparts at the highest…

It’s very wrong. Improv requires empathy and awareness of the person you are in a scene with.

The dark triad personality traits are defined by an explicit lack of empathy and ability to connect with other people

Re: Reflections on Palantir

#49
post #47

They are a consulting company that tries to do some element of product development in house. This is not a new strategy - all the big consultancies, agencies, etc have been on various forms of the path for the last 15-20 years. The reality is there is sometimes a space for custom product dev, and sometimes better to rely on actual software/product providers that already have scale, market understanding, etc.

I think a more accurate description is they’re a standard company with a consulting/professional services arm.

Re: Reflections on Palantir

#50

It feels like the moral section ignores the elephant in the room which is Peter Thiel's hostility to democracy and the more general far right swing in America. There's a difference between working on morally gray tech during normal times versus during times when there is every reason to believe that it WILL be significantly misused.

Democracy or the blob?

“I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible” https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

Later in the piece he notoriously declares that “welfare beneficiaries” (a well-known racist dog whistle about Black people) and letting women vote are both impediments to his libertarian dreams of dismantling democratic government.

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