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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by CalRobert »

Spooky23 wrote: post #144
CalRobert wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protest doesn't do anything. I marched plenty and it accomplished nothing except letting like-minded people blow off a bit of steam and feel like something we did mattered. If anything it was just a distraction.

It does. Hopefully people start taking to the streets when the economic calamity (temporary adjustments in Musk-speak) hits. People slowly figure it out. On HN 2-3 years ago, any critique of Elon would bring out the brigades of simps babbling about autistic genius. That’s mostly gone now.

OK, people walk in the streets and wave signs, then go home.

What happens next?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by liontwist »

tremon wrote: post #138
liontwist wrote: post #95

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Indeed 20th century fascist revolutions used the guise of law for their takeover. Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc. I assumed the poster was using facist to mean “bad authoritarian government” - not that trump is actually a disciple of Mussolini style philosophy. Right now the democratic system is w…

Following them would include Basically, your argument boils down to "you're wrong, the current sitation is not fascist enough yet"? banning the existence of other parties They don't need to. Similar to Russia, they will allow the appearance of other parties and elections, but the outcomes will be pre-determined. changing the constitution to give all power to executive SCOTUS has already done that: everything the pres…

> the current sitation is not fascist enough yet"?

You are putting the burden on me to argue they are NOT fascist? (whatever meaning you want to attach to that word)

> They proved in November that they already have done the right amount of voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering to secure a win.

Ah so you think the election was stolen?

> gerrymandering

How do you gerrymander state boundaries?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by rexpop »

lazide wrote: post #79
bmitc wrote: post #62

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What do you propose? The only way to change is either voting, money, or violence. I'm generally lost as what to do.

Voting - already happened. Money - the folks doing this already have a ton of money, and used it in large part to get to this point. Violence - necessary for change, but against who exactly? anyone trying to be violent against the folks running this will be disavowed by 90% of the rest of the population, and galvanize an outsized violent crackdown against anyone and everyone who even somewhat looks like them. It’s go…

Uh, what ever happened to Civil Disobedience? Direct Action? Nonviolent Action?

There are at least as many ways to respond to repression as there are avenues of repression: https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Tobu »

nimbius wrote: post #35
hypeatei wrote: post #21

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I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

If you look back at Germany in the 19th century, nations like Prussia and Austria had this sort of power struggle between the merchant class and the nobility at the advent of steam power. in this case the de-facto US nobility (rank-and-file career politicians) are being usurped by the bourgeouise (billionaires like Musk) at the advent of AI and tech by promising the working class a combination of culture war policy a…

> will they abdicate their power

Yeah, no. This is a coup and they are all in. They would not be this blatant about taking control illegally and fast if they expected to leave any institutions to still enforce the law against them.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by treve »

dylan604 wrote: post #146
paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

Can we please stop this bit of misinformation? Trump: 77,168,458 votes (49.9%) https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqne... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/president-re... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/... More people voted for Trump, but it wasn't half the country. There were a lot of people that did not vote at all. The most accurate would be to say t…

It's accurate to say more than half let this happen. You can include the people that didn't vote.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by undersuit »

paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

Not half the country, depending on how you reason about it it's about a 1/3 or 2/3. Just a smidge more than 50% of voters did not vote for Trump. And numerically more than either Trump or Kamala voters, 36% of the US populace didn't vote in 2024.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by rexpop »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #60
Tyrubias wrote: post #3

It’s terrifying that data US taxpayers paid for, collected and analyzed in the name of public health, can be removed on a whim. While there are a lot of efforts to archive said data, it would still make it unavailable to Americans who are not tech savvy. Unfortunately, that seems to be the idea, I think.

Isn't this data already inaccessible to those who are not tech savvy? My grandma isn’t visiting any of the data download sites provided by the federal government. She doesn’t even know why she would, or even that such data is available. And if I provide it to her, she hasn’t the skills to do anything with it.

Luckily, we live in a society of specialists, and while you are laying bricks, public health orgs are generating reports and taking interviews and making these data accessible and meaningful to you.

So, yes, your grandma relies on a data "supply chain" but, nevertheless, it benefits her.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

CalRobert wrote: post #58
9283409232 wrote: post #51

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The answer is a general strike. This will never happen in the US though.

Hard to strike when your boss can make you and your kid homeless. Housing precarity is a useful tool of control.

Wow. My grandfather is turning over in his grave. He suffered not only starvation and homelessness while striking against the coral companies of Pennsylvania, he was also beaten.

If they have instilled this much cowardliness in you they have won. Imagine you’re kid looking at what you wrote twenty years from now and think of how he/she would think of you. Courageous or coward?

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

CalRobert wrote: post #151
Spooky23 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does. Hopefully people start taking to the streets when the economic calamity (temporary adjustments in Musk-speak) hits. People slowly figure it out. On HN 2-3 years ago, any critique of Elon would bring out the brigades of simps babbling about autistic genius. That’s mostly gone now.

OK, people walk in the streets and wave signs, then go home. What happens next?

A general strike. Boycotts, etc.

Protests get the word out and create comrades.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Spooky23 »

CalRobert wrote: post #151
Spooky23 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does. Hopefully people start taking to the streets when the economic calamity (temporary adjustments in Musk-speak) hits. People slowly figure it out. On HN 2-3 years ago, any critique of Elon would bring out the brigades of simps babbling about autistic genius. That’s mostly gone now.

OK, people walk in the streets and wave signs, then go home. What happens next?

How long will they have a home?

Starting a trade war has consequences. That mortgage of yours is pegged to 10 year treasury rates. Bend the demand curve for foreign investors seeking safety in US government debt and stuff happens, like real estate bubbles deflating. What happens when foreign investors start dumping loans for vacant NYC buildings on the market because of their governments restrictions?

Look at the the classic Bogglehead investment - VTI. 30% of that portfolio is 10 companies, half of which are extremely vulnerable to foreign action. What happens to Apple stock when there’s a 30% tariff on iPhones?

You have reckless idiots turning knobs and people are going to get hurt. Then they get angry. LARPing right wing morons love to talk revolutions on their podcasts, they may get their wish.

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