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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Dalewyn »

diggan wrote: post #120
CalRobert wrote: post #31

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Protest doesn't do anything. I marched plenty and it accomplished nothing except letting like-minded people blow off a bit of steam and feel like something we did mattered. If anything it was just a distraction.

> Protest doesn't do anything. Most rights that workers have today have been earned through protesting (and sometimes the bloody consequence of protesting while the state is resisting wanted changes). Protests only "doesn't do anything" when you don't do it enough or give up. Maybe I'm too European to understand, but the "pacifist" approach of the US working class seems to not be working out great.

It seems like you're missing something pretty basic here, so here it goes:

Government workers going on strike means they're doing what we want them to do, which is nothing. As a Trump voter, I want these federal government workers to stop working so the astronomical waste of our time/money and disturbing of peace stops.

The best work the US government does is when it's doing nothing, because it's hardly working properly unless it's forced to (ICE is an example of government actually working again).

Whether the workers resign, strike/protest, or get back to work implementing MAGA policies in the office, we win.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by albedoa »

treis wrote: post #92
CalRobert wrote: post #27

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As it so happens he did not appear on any ballots. But Musk (his aides more specifically) have locked federal employees out of their own systems https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-... Evidently set up an on-prem email server at the OPM to send out their emails asking disloyal employees to resign https://gizmodo.com/federal-employees-sue-agency-over-new-em... And is attempting to do the same a…

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Buddy, if I told you that I have fostered dogs from shelters, would you take that to mean that I have fostered all dogs from all shelters? Someone is certainly being ridiculous.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Spooky23 »

CalRobert wrote: post #31
diggan wrote: post #23

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> but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms. And the other half? They seem to welcome this as well, but with crossed arms. Where are the protests? Seems most people end up writing upset messages on Twitter/Bluesky, but also seems there are no grassroots movements to actually protest the borderline coup that is happening?

Protest doesn't do anything. I marched plenty and it accomplished nothing except letting like-minded people blow off a bit of steam and feel like something we did mattered. If anything it was just a distraction.

It does. Hopefully people start taking to the streets when the economic calamity (temporary adjustments in Musk-speak) hits.

People slowly figure it out. On HN 2-3 years ago, any critique of Elon would bring out the brigades of simps babbling about autistic genius. That’s mostly gone now.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by NickC25 »

fabian2k wrote: post #45
diggan wrote: post #23

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> but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms. And the other half? They seem to welcome this as well, but with crossed arms. Where are the protests? Seems most people end up writing upset messages on Twitter/Bluesky, but also seems there are no grassroots movements to actually protest the borderline coup that is happening?

This is moving very fast, and the sheer amount of chaos they're creating is successfully stymieing the potential responses. The important initial challenges here are the legal ones. And there are already some temporary decisions that should stop some of the blocks on funds. Now comes the part where we see if the administration abides by those legal decisions or not, and how the final legal decisions here turn out onc…

The administration doesn't need to ignore the courts - the courts have building for decades to get to this point, where the unitary executive gets to do whatever they please and the courts exist solely to rubber-stamp the executive's actions.

He was declared immune for all actions he and he alone declares as official.

He will die in office, in his mid 90s. Democracy has been cancelled.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by dylan604 »

paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

Can we please stop this bit of misinformation?

Trump: 77,168,458 votes (49.9%)

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqne...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/president-re...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/...

More people voted for Trump, but it wasn't half the country. There were a lot of people that did not vote at all. The most accurate would be to say that nearly half of the votes cast went for Trump. That is not half the country

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by pclmulqdq »

duxup wrote: post #37
hypeatei wrote: post #21

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I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

As far as things like ending EV tax credits musk noted it would hurt his competitors more than him. It’s all obvious corruption.

EV tax credits under the previous administration applied to almost every EV that wasn't a Tesla. They got Tesla its start, though, so the ladder must be pulled up.

Of course, carbon offsets are still a huge cash cow for Tesla, so Musk won't be eager to touch those.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by diggan »

CalRobert wrote: post #140
diggan wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Protest doesn't do anything. Most rights that workers have today have been earned through protesting (and sometimes the bloody consequence of protesting while the state is resisting wanted changes). Protests only "doesn't do anything" when you don't do it enough or give up. Maybe I'm too European to understand, but the "pacifist" approach of the US working class seems to not be working out great.

Protest works when it’s backed by a threat. “Do what we want or we will remove you from power”. What we have now is “do what we want or we’ll be sad”. The pitchforks aren’t just for show!! And I’ve lived in Europe for over a decade now and frankly much of Europe is painfully naive about how much people in power care about protestors waving clever signs.

> And I’ve lived in Europe for over a decade now and frankly much of Europe is painfully naive about how much people in power care about protestors waving clever signs.

I guess the same goes the other way, Americans seems painfully unaware how effective the public's will can be, when you act together. But I think that's to be expected, the US is still relatively new and young, compared to other countries, so lessons others have learned still need to be learned by the Americans themselves. I guess this is what we're witnessing right now.

I'd urge you to look up changes brought by protesting and riots, but I think we both know you're not interested in learning, since you already stated twice you think it's pointless.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Spooky23 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #141
diggan wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Protest doesn't do anything. Most rights that workers have today have been earned through protesting (and sometimes the bloody consequence of protesting while the state is resisting wanted changes). Protests only "doesn't do anything" when you don't do it enough or give up. Maybe I'm too European to understand, but the "pacifist" approach of the US working class seems to not be working out great.

It seems like you're missing something pretty basic here, so here it goes: Government workers going on strike means they're doing what we want them to do, which is nothing. As a Trump voter, I want these federal government workers to stop working so the astronomical waste of our time/money and disturbing of peace stops. The best work the US government does is when it's doing nothing, because it's hardly working prope…

The good news is that as a Trump voter who is a MAGA believer, you’ve established that you’re ignorant and open to emotional manipulation. You’re the political equivalent of the old lady who talks to the scammers.

So when your glorious day comes, and your State asserts their rights and levies your bank account to pay for your parents medical bills as your filial responsibility, (or whatever your personal tragedy ends up being) you’ll have the feels, and will flip to the next cult of personality.

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