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CDC data are disappearing

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by bongodongobob »

tomohawk wrote: post #39

It's too early to tell, but I would not be surprised if later at least a portion of this is found to be "malicious compliance". For example, President Truman ordered the US military to be (re)integrated. Through malicious compliance, racist officers put their own spin on the orders. "Well, he didn't say that black officers would get equal access to the officers club, so we won't let them in." It too a former 5 star g…

What? This isn't malicious compliance. This is exactly what Republicans said they were going to do. Destroy everything that doesn't agree with them.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by bmitc »

diggan wrote: post #23
paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

> but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms. And the other half? They seem to welcome this as well, but with crossed arms. Where are the protests? Seems most people end up writing upset messages on Twitter/Bluesky, but also seems there are no grassroots movements to actually protest the borderline coup that is happening?

What do you propose? The only way to change is either voting, money, or violence. I'm generally lost as what to do.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by 9283409232 »

CalRobert wrote: post #58
9283409232 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is a general strike. This will never happen in the US though.

Hard to strike when your boss can make you and your kid homeless. Housing precarity is a useful tool of control.

According to this[0], they want around 4% of Americans to agree to a general strike. The problem is the people who are most capable of surviving a general strike are not the same group that has the most impact in a general strike.

[0] https://generalstrikeus.com/

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by bmitc »

riffraff wrote: post #11

There's some people organizing to preserve stuff under the "safeguarding research" moniker https://fedihum.org/@SafeguardingResearch https://safeguarding-research.discourse.group/

That doesn't matter anymore. No one believed the CDC data to begin with. You think they're going to believe it when it comes from third-party backups?

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Post by pera »

linuxftw wrote: post #24
bandrami wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think we can all agree that depending on which administration is in charge, "Government Science" is anything but unbiased. Nope, but you've just made it clear you're susceptible to propaganda.

Will you trust the 'science' that is performed via the CDC under the Trump administration? Did you trust the 'science' performed under past administrations? Now, imagine someone holding the reverse position. Who's right? Which government institutions do you find generally trustworthy, and which do you find generally untrustworthy? Has this changed from administration to administration? Do you think your ideological v…

Bizarre argument considering that the only people who did not "trust science" (and the CDC in particular) during the previous Trump administration were Trumpists themselves.

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Post by reddalo »

nine_zeros wrote: post #28

America voted for cons, crooks and thugs. And is getting conned, crooked and thugged. Entirely predictable. And well deserved. I say this as someone living and suffering in America. There is no one else to blame but ourselves. The future is bleak.

It's even worse for us of the rest of the world, because the United States influence the whole world, and we can't do anything against this tragedy.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by sega_sai »

An "interesting" consequence of these type of measures of stopping collecting or publishing data will be that soon it will be impossible to tell how much infant mortality, or number of cases of tuberculosis or similar changed with respect to last year. Maybe that is partially the goal.

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Post by Applejinx »

CalRobert wrote: post #34
Applejinx wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble is, to talk about WHY Musk is attempting to seize control of parts of the US government and why the Trump administration is attempting to censor mass quantities of data would be a political conversation. Hacker News isn't designed for this. The point at which it becomes mass censorship that computer hackers (in their capacity as The Internet) might take an active role in routing around, is more or less th…

Hacking includes systems, not just code, and what Musk is doing certainly counts as systems hacking I would say. Hell, Captain Crunch didn't even use a computer.

Oh, I don't disagree. I'm getting downvotes as if I didn't think this was Hacker News business. I think it became Hacker News business when unelected guys seized offices and computer systems and started doing… what? We don't know, but there's a lot of data deleting, censoring, and grant-freezing going on.

I'm leaning very hard into an HN 'tone' with this because this is Hacker News. There's other places where I can be a lot more direct, but the HN tone is perfectly valid as a response: being able to think dispassionately is both tactically and strategically useful as long as it's not purely used to obfuscate.

I fear HN folks have been sheltered from a lot of the reality of what's happening and led down the garden path BY intentionally asserting that tone anytime things get too assertive, but the tone still has its uses.

edit: woof! Ok ok, this is fully HN business and always was. Right on. Sorry I even suggested it could ever be otherwise. I didn't give my fellow nerds enough credit :)

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