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Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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Is the "useful AI" technology any different from this slop? If not then I fear that's wasted money as well. Which I think is the reason this stuff keeps getting shoehorned in. They invested money in training and equipment all of which is depreciating far faster than it has returned value. I strongly doubt this "dichotomy AI" theory.

That's demonstrably false unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech. I don't know how a thinking person can use this technology and not see the possibilities it opens up.

> unless you believe millions of people are spending their own money every month for useless tech.

Your premise is wrong. You assume these people are spending money creating useful output or would otherwise understand and be able to implement a more efficient means on their own. In the words of David Graeber a lot of people have bullshit jobs, are you sure the "AI" isn't alleviating some other problem for them?

> and not see the possibilities it opens up.

The current technology has no natural exponential growth curve. Which means for a linear increase in spending you get a linear increase in accuracy. Any thinking person should see where this is going. Which is why you should call these LLMs so you don't accidentally fool yourself.

I mean, of course, when AGI does arrive and has a reasonable power budget, then we're talking. The current technology will never become this or anything like this. This will almost certainly lead to a new "AI winter" before AGI happens and will likewise almost certainly not occur during yours or my lifetime.

If you do believe that then I have a self driving battery powered semi to sell you that's fully autonomous and will run road cargo trains for you all day and night for huge profits.

Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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Every time some product or service introduces AI (or more accurately shoves it down our throats) people start looking for a way to get rid of it. It's so strange how much money and time companies are pouring into "features" that the public continues to reject at every opportunity. At this point I'm convinced that the endless AI hype and all the investment is purely due to hopes that it will soon put vast numbers of e…

> hopes that it will soon put vast numbers of employees out of work and allow companies to use the massive amounts of data they've collected about us against us more effectively.

They already fired so many developers and this feels more like a Hail Mary before maintenance costs and tech debt start catching up to you.

Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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The downside of this approach is that it can affect the search results returned. But I found that if you add " -fuck" or " -fucking" to your search term, it disables the AI summary without significantly affecting your search results (unless you happen to be looking for content of a certain kind).

You will miss out on the category of strongly worded but helpful content.

You can probably find some other term that disables the AI but is unlikely to occur naturally in the articles you'd like to find, e.g.: "react swipeable image carousel -coprophilia".

Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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I am totally in the same boat but also I do suspect it is a minority. It’s the same way that some people really want open source bootloaders, but 99.99% of people do not care at all. Maybe AI assistants in random places just aren’t that compatible with people on HN but are possibly useful for a lot of people not on HN?

I agree, but doesn't that basically mean there are two camps: people who dislike it, and people who don't care? I also agree with GP in that there isn't any visible 3rd camp: people who want it. If google themselves thought people wanted this, they wouldn't need to make an un-dismissable popup in all of their products with one button, "yes please enable gemini for me", in order for people to use it. I'm sure google t…

No, I like the AI summaries and I had assumed I was in the silent majority. People like convenience and it usually answers correctly.

Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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Every time some product or service introduces AI (or more accurately shoves it down our throats) people start looking for a way to get rid of it. It's so strange how much money and time companies are pouring into "features" that the public continues to reject at every opportunity. At this point I'm convinced that the endless AI hype and all the investment is purely due to hopes that it will soon put vast numbers of e…

I work on a project where customers need to fill out a form to receive help. We introduced an AI chat bot to help them do the form by just talking through the problem and answering questions. Then the form is filled out for the customer for them to review before submitting. Personally I find it slower than just doing it manually but it has resulted in the form being correct more often now and has a lot of usage. Ther…

I'm sure there's a time and place for these things, but this sounds very much like the echo chamber I hear at work all the time.

Someone has a 'friend' who has a totally-not-publically-visible form where a chat bot interacts with the form and helps the user fill the form in.

...and users love it.

However, when really pressed, I've yet to encounter someone who can actually tell me specifically

1) What form it is (i.e. can I see it?)

2) How much effort it was to build that feature.

...because, the problem with this story is that what you're describing is a pretty hard problem to solve:

- An agent interacts with a user.

- The agent has free reign to fill out the form fields.

- Guided by the user, the agent helps will out form fields in a way which is both faster and more accurate than users typing into the field themselves.

- At any time the user can opt to stop interacting with the the agent and fill in the fields and the agent must understand what's happened independently of the chat context. i.e. The form state has to be part of the chat bot's context.

- At the end, the details filled in by the agent are distinguished from user inputs for user review.

It's not a trivial problem. It sounds like a trivial problem; the agent asks 'what sort of user are you?' and parses the answer into one of three enum values; Client, Foo, Bar -> and sets the field 'user type' to the value via a custom hook.

However, when you try to actually build such a system (as I have), then there are a lot of complicated edge cases, and users HATE it when the bot does the wrong thing, especially when they're primed to click 'that looks good to me' without actually reading what the agent did.

So.

Can you share an example?

What does 'and has a lot of usage' mean in this context? Has it increased the number of people filling in the form, or completing it correctly (or both?) ?

I'd love to see one that users like, because, oh boy, did they HATE the one we built.

At the end of the day, smart validation hints on form input fields are a lot of easier to implement, and are well understood by users of all types in my experience; it's just generally a better, normal way of improving form conversion rates which is well documented, understood and measurable using analytics.

...unless you specifically need to add "uses AI" to your slide deck for your next round of funding.

Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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Every time some product or service introduces AI (or more accurately shoves it down our throats) people start looking for a way to get rid of it. It's so strange how much money and time companies are pouring into "features" that the public continues to reject at every opportunity. At this point I'm convinced that the endless AI hype and all the investment is purely due to hopes that it will soon put vast numbers of e…

I'll repeat my favorite quote about it (paraphrased and read it here first but don't recall the attribution): AI can copy a song, tell me a joke, predict what I buy, but I still have to do my own dishes. If AI (or any tech) could clean, do dishes, or cook (which is not a chore for many, I acknowledge that) it could potentially bring families together and improve the quality of peoples lives. Instead they are introduc…

It's "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes."

Which is a stupid argument, since there is "any tech" that can do your laundry and dishes, and it's been around for decades! Is it too hard for you to put your dishes in the dishwasher, or your clothes in the washing machine?

And I say this as someone bearish on AI.

Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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With the amounts being invested into AI and even just in recognition of running an AI service (@see how openAI loses money on their $200 subscriber accounts). The "for funsies" services like switching an HTML form over to a chatbot are clearly not going to be a realistic resolution for this technology. I'd argue that even when it comes to code generation the tools can be useful for green-field prototyping but the ide…

Ok but how are the companies supposed to replace workers when the tech isn't having real use cases, and is far from accurate?

One prescient comment was made by Eric Yuan (Zoom CEO), who made the claim that the reliability and general efficacy issues from AI products would be solved "down the stack", and I think this is more or less the attitude right now. Firms believe if they can build their LLM/AI products, the underlying LLMs/AI will catch up over time to meet their requirements.

I've also talked to a number of CTOs and CEOs who tell me that they're building their own AI products nominally to replace human workers, but they're not necessarily confident it will be successful in the foreseeable future. However, they want to be in a good place to capitalize on the success of AI if it does happen.

Re: Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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Spotify used to have a "dislike" button for their Discover Weekly which helped with pruning music you don't like, but with the natural law of tech enshitification they removed that feature a month ago.

I used to always hesitate to use that "dislike" button because I was worried that Spotify would not be able to distinguished between "I will always dislike this song" and "I don't want this song in this specific context"

I insta skipped any song that I liked but didn't want in X context, but disliked songs I didn't want, period, I don't know if it was the intended way, but it seemed to work for me
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