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OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole from Us

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Re: OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole from Us

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Post by LPHhimself »

ZeroTalent wrote: post #8
roshin wrote: post #3

I hate clickbait articles that try to make the bad guys seem like they're angry. > Both Bloomberg and the Financial Times are reporting that Microsoft and OpenAI have been probing whether DeepSeek improperly trained the R1 model The company openai is not angry, or furious, or enraged. They simply suspect that deepseek broke their usage agreement and are trying to verify that.

As I understand from Twitter, the issue explained in this article is not the actual case at hand. The issue is that they suspect them of stealing the o1 model with the weights via corporate espionage and optimizing it with Matrix Multiplication and other upgrades. That would explain why the outputs are nearly identical in some cases. I don't know how much of any of this is true. This is what I'm reading on Twitter to…

Oh geez yeah, if they really managed to optimize it with Matrix Multiplication these guys must be good

Re: OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole from Us

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Post by AlpineG »

OpenAI's model is closed source. IDK if distilling can be done via the API effectively? DeepSeek already has distilled models from other open source models like Qwen which have been done by 3rd party researchers, and I assumed that happened rapidly because they are all open source.

Re: OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole from Us

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Post by ivanleoncz »

tim333 wrote: post #10
csallen wrote: post #5

There is nothing in this article to suggest that OpenAI is "furious" or even upset. Zero evidence. It's total clickbait. And it's embarrassing that so many commenters on Hacker News who want to believe this storyline are just pretending that it's true despite the lack of evidence.

It's funny though. There seem to be a lot of commenters on Hacker News who don't really get the sense of humor thing.

No, indeed they don't.

Re: OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole from Us

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Post by ZeroTalent »

LPHhimself wrote: post #11
ZeroTalent wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand from Twitter, the issue explained in this article is not the actual case at hand. The issue is that they suspect them of stealing the o1 model with the weights via corporate espionage and optimizing it with Matrix Multiplication and other upgrades. That would explain why the outputs are nearly identical in some cases. I don't know how much of any of this is true. This is what I'm reading on Twitter to…

Oh geez yeah, if they really managed to optimize it with Matrix Multiplication these guys must be good

I think what I meant by that is obvious.
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