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Re: Permission to Practise Medicine

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Post by theshackleford »

watwut wrote: post #15
throw_pm23 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are very wrong w.r. to communist block. Women's participation in medicine (and other intellectual professions) was generally high, possibly higher than in the west.

The gender split depended on specialist. Pediatricians would be women much more often then surgeons. Gynecologists were frequently men, the more in-hospital you are, the more men you would encounter. The eastern europe idea of what is "intellectual" or "important" was different then western one, leading to women having different jobs. Good half of what Americans consider "intellectual" was seen as administrative and…

> The gender split depended on specialist.

Sure, but it doesnt really relate to your original statement.

> The nurses are all women, doctors used to be almost only men and now are mix of men and women.

Which obviously has been corrected here already, but in case:

> In 1917, 17 percent of doctors were women, yet by 1940 61 percent were women. From the 1950s the figure fluctuated at around 65–70 percent

A side effect of the impacts of WW2 and the loss of men I am led to believe and that occurred in many areas of society.

> Pediatricians would be women much more often then surgeons.

Sure, maybe. Maybe not. Last I looked, both are doctors.

Re: Permission to Practise Medicine

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Post by hulitu »

watwut wrote: post #3
WaitWaitWha wrote: post #2

> However, while women did take up medical roles, they could undoubtedly face animosity and suspicion as a result. > ... without hindrance or disturbance from those people who might regard her with contempt or otherwise mistrust her medical knowledge. > Unfortunately, we do not know any further details about the kinds of resistance Joan faced as a physician or the medical treatments she performed, or even if Henry ev…

> I am not aware of a culture where most of these roles are not females. Literally Europe, in between the time when births moved to hospitals and before women became doctors. There were no "midwifes" nor "doulas" present during birth. Also, literally whole communist block the whole time and also long after the communism felt. While midwifes and doulas just were not a thing. The nurses are all women, doctors used to b…

> Also, literally whole communist block the whole time and also long after the communism felt.

Yeah, right. They were living in trees and eating fruits. /s

Re: Permission to Practise Medicine

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Post by hulitu »

watwut wrote: post #14
pbalau wrote: post #7

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My mom is a doctor, pediatrician, and she finished medical school end of 70s or beginning of 80s. One of her coworkers went by the title "moaşa", the Romanian word for midwife.

Women become doctors long before 70s and 80ties. There being word for a midwife in that language does not imply practicing midwifes during communism. They have word for knight too and knights were not a thing either.

> There being word for a midwife in that language does not imply practicing midwifes

Of course not, they called them this way just to joke. Thanks to "democracy", eastern europe discovered equality between sexes and finaly the women were able to go to school. /s

Re: Permission to Practise Medicine

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Post by hulitu »

throwudnfjrj wrote: post #10
avs733 wrote: post #9

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According to actual data rather than vague virtue signalling: There were 53,442 women students enrolled at U.S. medical schools in 2023. They made up 55% of all medical school students. Women first became the largest gender group enrolled in medical schools for the first time in 2019. There is still a shift towards men between application and enrollment, one could just wildly assert that that is either/both evidence…

> According to actual data rather than vague virtue signalling > They made up 55% of You just debunked yourself. Are there any diversity program for men? They are minority, only 45% (or much lower if you count other genders)! We need mandatory quotas! In other fields like IT, it is a huge problem!!!

> We need mandatory quotas! In other fields like IT, it is a huge problem!!!

Quotas won't do anything. You need to change your culture. When you are shaming someone for chosing a profession, a lot of people won't do it. "It is a man's job, it is not for your delicate hands." or "A male nurse ?" or "women are bad at math" and so on and so forth.

Re: Permission to Practise Medicine

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Post by n4r9 »

watwut wrote: post #13
bloak wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Soviet Union most doctors were women. Random citation: "In 1917, 17 percent of doctors were women, yet by 1940 61 percent were women. From the 1950s the figure fluctuated at around 65–70 percent (Ryan, 1989: 38)."

Most of them pediatricians and the first contact doctors. The gender split depended on the specialty. The gynecologic and doctors doing childbirths were frequently men. Likewise, surgeons. And there was stereotype of them being better then women.

Midwives were a thing, though. There are records of pay scales given for medical professionals in Soviet Russia, including midwives.
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