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Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by lupusreal »

davidt84 wrote: post #175
lupusreal wrote: post #164

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Post-viral fatigue definitely happens in Africa, but only very privileged people with the means to lay around doing nothing will allow it to knock them down so hard they literally don't stand up once in two years. Post-viral fatigue to this degree is a phenomenon of the idle upper class. It doesn't paralyze you, it just makes you tired and miserable. Normal people push through and carry on, because they must.

Or they die.

From long covid? And because they didn't go two years without standing? You can't really believe this. Going outside would not kill her. Choosing to stay in bed for two years has done her far more damage. Staying in bed is worse for you than hard drugs.

Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by Tade0 »

Suppafly wrote: post #258
Tade0 wrote: post #69

That's great to hear. I remember Simone Giertz breaking out the bad news to her followers and sounding no less serious than when she was talking about her own brain surgery. My former co-worker got COVID twice, as preventive measures didn't fit into his moral framework, and the second time resulted in a mild case of long COVID. I'm saying "mild" as he was not bedridden, but the cognitive decline was noticeable. Long…

>I'm saying "mild" as he was not bedridden, but the cognitive decline was noticeable. I've noticed some of that with family members that have gotten covid, but it's hard to say that it's definitely that as they are older and age related decline is hard to nail down too.

My co-worker reported general "brain fog" - very much like due to prolonged sleep deprivation.

No false memories or loss of perception of time like in my older relatives going through age-related cognitive decline.

Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by treyd »

Wobbles42 wrote: post #241
kolinko wrote: post #234

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Proteins like reverse-transcriptase are quite complex, it’s not a mutation that would appear so suddenly. Also, having such a protein would significantly change how the virus operates, and it would be visible upon sequencing it.

I am way outside my area of expertise and speculating wildly here, but aren't various retroviruses quite common in our environment? Enough so that many COVID-19 infections must have occurred simultaneously with one of many such viruses? So, logically, COVID-19 viral components likely have coexisted inside our bodies with some quantity of reverse transcriptase, no? I do know that we find viral DNA in human DNA, likely…

Virus genes aren't like lego pieces that just snap together and work. Genetics is a very delicate balance. Retroviral RNA evolved to be packaged up in such a way that it's ready to be transcribed by the reverse transcriptase. Coronaviruses didn't do this.

If this was actually what was happening then we'd expect to either see:

* (if it utilizes a present retroviral reverse transcriptase) only people with active retrovirus infections getting long COVID

* (if a variant picked up the gene from another retrovirus) evidence for reverse transcriptase being copied into a widely circulating variant that for some reason is only activated in some people

We don't see either of these things happening. It would be extremely obvious from the data and genetic samples that that happened. There's also generally very little evidence for viruses picking up features across long genetic distances. If this was common we'd see more of it.

SARS-CoV-2 also generally infects different types of cells than the ones that HIV does, so even if that was a possibility genetically, it's unlikely because they're not active in the same cells.

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Post by philipov »

II2II wrote: post #173
y-curious wrote: post #149

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This is literally the definition of victim-blaming: "Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially at fault for the harm that befell them." Imagine if I said "She always wore low-cut dresses. Her lack of preventative measures caused her to get raped. She did it to herself!" Lots of people masking up still get COVID.

> Lots of people masking up still get COVID. Lots of people are careful while crossing the street, yet some of those careful people still get hit by cars. That doesn't mean that you stop being careful while crossing the street. As for the whole mask debate. I'm not sure how effective they were ate preventing people from catching COVID. After all, most people wore masks that were poorly fitting. I am fairly confident…

If you're hit by a car, there is another party to the incident whose responsibility to avoid hitting people is at play. It is generally understood that a driver has a greater duty to avoid hitting people than people do to avoid getting hit. To wit, people have a right to not be hit by cars. It is a crime or wrongful act.

Victim Blaming is a logical fallacy in which the responsibility for an incident is misattributed, sloughing blame from the more-responsible party to the less-responsible party.

Catching a disease is not like being hit by a car, even by accident, because there is not a legal obligation to avoid infecting other people if you have a disease. If you catch covid, no crime has been committed.

In fact, the presumption of duty is often reversed, except in exceptionally malicious circumstances. The responsibility for being accidentally infected usually lies with the one who failed to avoid it. Although, it is not unthinkable to expect people to have a legal duty to avoid infecting others, say, by wearing a mask...

But if a person denies that idea, they can't at the same time claim it's not their responsibility that they got sick.

Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by autoexec »

dev18019 wrote: post #174
jf22 wrote: post #156

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It's interesting to me how COVID vaccine skepticism has persisted so long despite the evidence the vaccine was safe and effective. All the nightmare scenarios and long-term side effects people speculated about never happened and more and more doses of the vaccine have been taken safely.

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Most people are fully aware that any vaccine can, in rare cases, cause all kinds of problems. I haven't seen many instances of people acting like that isn't the case. The internet is a big place, and I don't doubt that you've felt silenced, but from what I've seen people are largely sympathetic to those who have experienced problems with the vaccines and are often quick to point out the fact that some percentage of the population not being able to take vaccines is exactly why it's so important that those who can take them get them.

The folks I have seen shut down tend to be the ones who say that the vaccine did things like turning them "magnetic" or say that everyone should avoid the vaccine because the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the disease. I guess I'm glad I'm not hanging out in places where people will attack or silence someone for trying to protect themself and others and being unlucky enough to have a bad reaction from it.

Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by gadders »

fragmede wrote: post #231
gadders wrote: post #142

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I'm not saying it's a grift, but I'm not saying I'd be surprised if it turned out to be one as well. Internet people are weird . Not all of us though, obviously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_Gibson

Is it really a grift if the person is upfront about asking for money to pay their medical bills and there's no expectation of a product that isn't being delivered? GoFundMe isn't pretending that there's a laptop or shoes or something expensive and then not delivering aka a scam, it's straightforwardsly asking for money to pay for medical bills.

I meant "grift" in the sense of the illness could be not real or exaggerated.

Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by _zagj »

garganzol wrote: post #270
_zagj wrote: post #184

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One hallmark sign of a post-covid malaise is that your body stays capable way longer than your neurological and cognitive functions. While you have expressed healthy grains of doubt, the case of Dianna goes in line with a post-covid progression. Not being able to get out of the bed means that she physically could do it from time to time for sure, but her brain could not reliably cope with navigational tasks, so she w…

I appreciate you at least responding, but it's clear that you were offended by me expressing skepticism about a specific person claiming to be a COVID long hauler, who directly profits from doing so, and who presents a purported symptomology that contradicts human physiology and exercise science, despite me bending over backwards to be tactful regarding the subject of long COVID. Do you really want this person being your poster child?

Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by margalabargala »

fragmede wrote: post #268
margalabargala wrote: post #265

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The question here is specifically about chronic, long-term, Long-Covid-like adverse reactions. The vaccine certainly has occasionally caused immediate, acute issues with people, which is why you aren't supposed to leave the administration site for 15 minutes after you get it. But there are not chronic adverse reactions to the vaccines.

there have been. we really don't talk about those.

Source: "It's a secret, trust me bro"

Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by archagon »

dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #245
rblatz wrote: post #167

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I was vaccinated and boosted, ended up catching covid 3x so far.

Serious question: How many boosters, and how many more do you plan to take until you give up?

Why “give up”? It’s just like a flu shot, might as well take it every year. (Until Republicans decide to ban it outright, that is: https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/stat...)
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