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Re: Science YouTuber physicsgirl (Dianna Cowern) stands for the first time in 2 yrs

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Post by brandonmenc »

wat10000 wrote: post #249
brandonmenc wrote: post #197

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A close family member has permanent heart failure caused by the first Covid booster. They now go to the top heart hospital in the world. The doctors there say that while nothing can be proven for certain - obviously - the timing of their booster and the onset of their heart symptoms and the fact that there was no indication they had Covid at the time all point to the high probability it was the vaccine. And they’ve s…

Doctors are as susceptible as anyone to all the cognitive biases that result in post hoc ergo propter hoc. I wouldn’t assume they’re correct about the cause just because of the timing and the fact that they’re doctors.

Sure. Anything is possible.

But this is a case of a person with no positive Covid tests or symptoms suddenly developing heart failure mere days after getting the booster.

There is this absurd idea that unlike every other vaccine, the Covid vaccines have absolutely no harmful side effects for anyone, ever.

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Post by Wobbles42 »

throwforfeds wrote: post #222
penjelly wrote: post #86

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Hi, I couldn't glean from the articles. But it sounds like you have breathing issues from long covid? it may sound ridiculous, but I developed gluten/lactose sensitivity during covid times. If I avoid gluten, lactose, canola oil I get far fewer symptoms. I know this likely isn't your issue but I do experience positive airway pressure, coughing, burping, chronic fatigue, exessive yawning. If that sounds like you maybe…

My wife and I got Covid during the first major wave (March/April 2020). I had no symptoms at all, but my wife ended up getting long Covid. GI issues, extreme tiredness, shortness of breath, brain fog, sleep disruption, etc etc. She lost maybe 10-12% of her body weight. After maybe 8 months of this we somehow decided to do a low-Fodmap diet (I participated for support). That included cutting out gluten and dairy (exce…

Yet another anecdote, but my wife and I both got COVID. I was quite a bit sicker than she was.

I later found out that I'm a type II diabetic, and almost certainly was at the time I had COVID given the timing. I had fairly severe fatigue symptoms preceding that diagnosis, and the diet/exercise changes I made to bring that under control look a lot like what your wife did, and also seem to have alleviated the fatigue.

There was about a 12 month separation between recovering from COVID and my own fatigue symptoms. Had the timing been a bit different I likely would have assumed I was suffering from long COVID, and would probably have been less inclined to see a doctor as a result.

None of this is to suggest that any given person is suffering from diabetes, that long COVID should be treated the same way, or that any given person with long COVID is self diagnosing. For anyone that is though, definitely consider talking to a doctor. Coincidences happen and you could have something that is both unrelated and treatable going on.

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Post by ceejayoz »

dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #245
rblatz wrote: post #167

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I was vaccinated and boosted, ended up catching covid 3x so far.

Serious question: How many boosters, and how many more do you plan to take until you give up?

I'm not OP, but in my case the answer is the same as flu - it's likely to be a routine annual thing. Eventually it'll probably be part of the flu shot.

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Post by SpaceNugget »

nradov wrote: post #220
SpaceNugget wrote: post #155

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I'm very sorry to hear that your father died a preventable death. I'm currently in a Dutch hospital, recovering from an (attmpted, they ended up leaving it inside me, can't fully explain why) appendectomy. From calling the after hours huisarts number with a stomach ache to being on the operating table was less than 24 hours for me. The hospital stay have been amazing and I doubt I would have had such prompt treatment…

I don't know what happened in your case but the standard of care for simple appendicitis is now to try a course of antibiotics first before a surgical appendectomy. https://www.facs.org/media-center/press-releases/2021/coda-s...

I'm currently on a course of antibiotics. They said the tissue around the appendix was to infected and they were scared they would rip it and damage something. They are giving me the option to have the appendectomy after I successfully recover with antibiotics but advise against it. I wish we had started with the antibiotics but here we are now.

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Post by margalabargala »

fragmede wrote: post #232
garganzol wrote: post #224

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Any virus and any vaccine can extremely rarely cause a post-viral malaise with similar symptoms. But Covid-19 (as a virus) stands out in terms of frequency of these occurrences moving the needle from "extremely rarely (~never)" to "occasionally (~it happens with my friends and family)". In terms of outcomes and probabilities, having a vaccine is 10000x better than facing a virus directly. Note that in some rare cases…

There is a tiny handful of people that developed adverse reactions to just the vaccine and it's dishonest to pretend those cases didn't happen just because dumbfucks are going to hear that story and use that as an excuse to not get the vaccine

The question here is specifically about chronic, long-term, Long-Covid-like adverse reactions.

The vaccine certainly has occasionally caused immediate, acute issues with people, which is why you aren't supposed to leave the administration site for 15 minutes after you get it.

But there are not chronic adverse reactions to the vaccines.

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Post by ipv6ipv4 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #203
jf22 wrote: post #156

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It's interesting to me how COVID vaccine skepticism has persisted so long despite the evidence the vaccine was safe and effective. All the nightmare scenarios and long-term side effects people speculated about never happened and more and more doses of the vaccine have been taken safely.

> safe and effective Do you have any long studies you can point to? Let’s go very short. 5 years or more? The “The Science” crowd is so perplexing. You can’t believe in the upside in just faith. That’s exactly what you’re pretending not to do.

Sure. mRNA vaccines didn't emerge spontaneously during covid. They were studied for many years before, which is why they were so readily available for covid. Just because you never heard of their existence prior to covid doesn't mean they weren't the subject of intense study. The first mRNA vaccines were tested on mice in the 1990s, and on humans in 2013.

I'm still waiting to become magnetic! That and I want to shed spike proteins like a Pokemon.

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Post by Matticus_Rex »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #247
Matticus_Rex wrote: post #210

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"Do you have 5 years or more of evidence about this thing that has existed for less than that time?" Obviously this is not a good faith question. And yes, we may find out that the vaccines are, over a long period of time, not perfectly safe. But we do have enough data to know they aren't super risky (at least for the vast majority), because big effects would be easy to see, and we do know that COVID is very risky. Cl…

Do you need big negative effects to outweigh the pros of another booster? If you take an under 40 healthy person who already had covid, the vaccine did basically nothing for them after a few months. It doesnt take a "big effect" to counter that, right?

Depends on a bunch of factors, e.g. which booster, which variant, the person, and the relationship between dependent and independent variables in different risks from both COVID and the vaccine, but for the peak of the pandemic, the answer is no -- the risk of catching COVID was so large and our treatment wasn't honed in that you'd have to assume a pretty high rate of serious unknown long-term issues for it to come out net negative in most cases. Once we got past the peak and with particular variants where the boosters were less effective, that changed (and that was also when you found out that some people's belief in the vaccine was ultimately religious in nature).

There weren't a lot of people trying to model that risk, but of the ones who were the vaccine looked pretty compelling as a better bet for the whole of the peak pandemic. And maybe it turns out that 15 years out from the vaccine everyone suddenly dies! But the expected value there is highly unlikely.

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Post by fragmede »

margalabargala wrote: post #265
fragmede wrote: post #232

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There is a tiny handful of people that developed adverse reactions to just the vaccine and it's dishonest to pretend those cases didn't happen just because dumbfucks are going to hear that story and use that as an excuse to not get the vaccine

The question here is specifically about chronic, long-term, Long-Covid-like adverse reactions. The vaccine certainly has occasionally caused immediate, acute issues with people, which is why you aren't supposed to leave the administration site for 15 minutes after you get it. But there are not chronic adverse reactions to the vaccines.

there have been. we really don't talk about those.

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Post by garganzol »

_zagj wrote: post #184

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One hallmark sign of a post-covid malaise is that your body stays capable way longer than your neurological and cognitive functions.

While you have expressed healthy grains of doubt, the case of Dianna goes in line with a post-covid progression. Not being able to get out of the bed means that she physically could do it from time to time for sure, but her brain could not reliably cope with navigational tasks, so she was risking sudden falls and further traumatization. Add the extreme fatigue every such exercise had caused. It is not exactly a bedridden condition, you are right, but it is bed-attached for sure.

It is not a "psycho" part of the illness as you view it. It is an organic condition caused by metabolic and immunological derangements occurring in the body of a post-covid patient. You are not alone in your views, many medical doctors make the same judgements when they see post-covid patients for the first time. In their world, it is always an organic/psycho separation, but when the underlying metabolic mechanisms are impaired, you get the full spectrum of manifestations.

You provided good points though, something I did not think about.

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