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Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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I think some entrepreneurs actually have kind of obsessive traits. They seem to get obsessed with an idea and see it through major hurdles that most other people would give up on. It’s like a combination of obsession and aggressively putting forward their ideas with confidence, whereas people who are “intelligent” - like have a lot of education, a lot of experience might actually sometimes see the bigger picture in a…

Obsession is not a bad trait, until you're obsessed by the wrong thing.

Be careful of survivor bias here, there are lots of very obsessed entrepreneurs who have failed.

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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It's been my experience that business success is less about intelligence, and more about the right combination of intelligence and motivation. Succeeding as an entrepreneur takes an extreme amount of work and fortitude that has to come along with your intelligence. And motivation counts for more than intelligence. A genius who doesn't want to do anything but read and collect a secure pay-cheque isn't cut out to be an…

This is honestly a bad answer. You can have all of the motivation in the world. But if you don’t know how to create products that people want, market it, have funding for it and not get crushed by a larger company that can throw a team at it, you won’t be successful. The world is filled with the corpses of dead companies founded by people with “motivation” and “passion”. The whole idea of if you work really hard you…

> But if you don’t know how to create products that people want, market it, have funding for it and not get crushed by a larger company that can throw a team at it, you won’t be successful.

Yes, but you can keep trying. In entrepreneurship, you only need to be right once. Most successful entrepreneurs have had failed startups and projects before they got it right.

>The whole idea of if you work really hard you are guaranteed success gives too many people unrealistic hope

It's not guaranteed, but it's the best system to get what you want, that we have.

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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This is honestly a bad answer. You can have all of the motivation in the world. But if you don’t know how to create products that people want, market it, have funding for it and not get crushed by a larger company that can throw a team at it, you won’t be successful. The world is filled with the corpses of dead companies founded by people with “motivation” and “passion”. The whole idea of if you work really hard you…

> But if you don’t know how to create products that people want, market it, have funding for it and not get crushed by a larger company that can throw a team at it, you won’t be successful. Yes, but you can keep trying. In entrepreneurship, you only need to be right once. Most successful entrepreneurs have had failed startups and projects before they got it right. >The whole idea of if you work really hard you are gu…

> Yes, but you can keep trying. In entrepreneurship, you only need to be right once

And how many entrepreneurs are “right” enough to make up for the years of lost wages they could make even as ordinary CRUD enterprise devs let alone working for BigTech or adjacent? Not to mention the compounding returns if they had invested the money early?

HN especially suffers from survivorship bias. You don’t hear about all of the failed founders who are in their 30s and 40s with nothing to show for it and unemployable.

The “best” system is to “grind leetCode and work for a FAANG” (tm r/cscareerqyestions). Even the second best system of working your way up through enterprise dev is much more likely to succeed.

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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Intelligence doesn’t help either, there are thousand of smart people who tried to start a business and failed.

Each part is necessary, but in itself not sufficient. Successful business takes hard work, the right work, done well, reaching a market that needs it and can afford it. Motivation by itself is worthless. Working on the wrong thing is worthless. Working hard on the wrong thing is worthless. Being smart isn't about doing Integral Calculus. It's about deciding to work on the right thing. Most of all a business needs to…

So if that’s all it takes? Then why are so many businesses failures? I bet if you got in a room with 30 people and they all told you their story without mentioning the outcome and you could judge the characteristics you mentioned and they were all equal, you couldn’t predict which ones are successful business people and which ones are failures.

On the other hand, if you gave 10 people a job at BigTech, 10 a job at a well known non tech company and told 10 to go start a business, which one of those groups do you think would have the highest median and mean compensation history over 5 years? 10 years?

I posit that it would be BigTech, Enterprise Dev and the startup founders would come in dead last.

Heck I got close to a million dollars in “revenue” just working as a mid level (L5) remote employee at BigTech for 3.5 years and I was paid 10-15% less in my position (cloud consulting) than the equivalent SDE.

If that were my major concern at this point in life (I’m 50), there are much easier ways to have a million dollars in “revenue” over 3-4 years for anyone in tech than starting a business with much less work and risks.

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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Weird. I never ran the math. Becoming a billionaire is actually more achievable than I would have predicted, by a lot.

The probability in GP's comment assumes that everyone has an equal chance of attaining billionaire status, and that the percentage of billionaires in the world remains constant. Given heritability of wealth and access to better education and healthcare, wealthy children have much lower barriers to success. The second assumption may not hold either, as the current overall economic trends seem to favor increasing conce…

I agree, it's not at all perfectly random. For some the chances are better than 1 in 3 million, for others they are miniscule and improbable.

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

#47
Listen. I'm going to give you some on-the-ground perspective here. Mostly because I'm drunk. ;)

I've started businesses (and by most measures, successful ones), and despite what all the gurus will tell you, I would not wish it on anyone.

I tell people often, don't do it. Unless you're a certain type of person, do something else, and even if you're that sort of person, it's probably going to suck. A lot. We're not honest enough about this in our society, because people have a certain respect for entrepreneurs and aspire to be one themselves. And there's an entire cottage industry that preys on these aspirations (yes, that includes some of these startup incubators, etc).

Really, you know if you're the sort of person who will keep going or not. You know if you'll love the challenge of pulling together a million different pieces (half of which you know nothing about sometimes) and when to check yourself... or not. You know what to listen to others... or not.

Most people are not built like this. I'm close friends with a number of very successful entrepreneurs, and they're... weird. Good folks, but always weirdos.

That said, since it's in your title, I have a high IQ (145) but I think it's important to add, I grew up in the ghetto, where such an IQ is not considered an asset... instead, force and street savvy often are.

The reason I bring this up is because I've done okay for myself. Not insane, but decent. I thrive in organizing chaos. Not to be too dramatic, but that's what starting a business is like, especially when it's your own money on the line. Most of the successful people I know in starting businesses are also smart, process-oriented, and curious as all Hell.

For perspective, I'm comfortable reading scientific papers outside my expertise and seeing the potential business applications that the MBAs likely aren't looking at, because, well, they're thinking about other things. I'm comfortable shooting the shit with my plumber... or my siblings in very niche tech or science. I love breaking things and asking both these types of people for help, so they can laugh at me. I've done some incredibly stupid things in the name of curiosity.

My advice? Stop reading, stop talking. Flip a coin and take a risk on something you want to see to its end. Then burn yourself out to see where it goes. But be prepared for a lot of heartache and pain.

If you do this, hit me up after. Would love to hear how it went.

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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> But if you don’t know how to create products that people want, market it, have funding for it and not get crushed by a larger company that can throw a team at it, you won’t be successful. Yes, but you can keep trying. In entrepreneurship, you only need to be right once. Most successful entrepreneurs have had failed startups and projects before they got it right. >The whole idea of if you work really hard you are gu…

> Yes, but you can keep trying. In entrepreneurship, you only need to be right once And how many entrepreneurs are “right” enough to make up for the years of lost wages they could make even as ordinary CRUD enterprise devs let alone working for BigTech or adjacent? Not to mention the compounding returns if they had invested the money early? HN especially suffers from survivorship bias. You don’t hear about all of the…

You're making fair points although I'll just add that I didn't claim that success was easy, I just described the minimum requirements for success. It's always going to be a gamble.

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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Intelligence doesn’t help either, there are thousand of smart people who tried to start a business and failed.

Each part is necessary, but in itself not sufficient. Successful business takes hard work, the right work, done well, reaching a market that needs it and can afford it. Motivation by itself is worthless. Working on the wrong thing is worthless. Working hard on the wrong thing is worthless. Being smart isn't about doing Integral Calculus. It's about deciding to work on the right thing. Most of all a business needs to…

> Successful business takes hard work, the right work, done well, reaching a market that needs it and can afford it.

And luck. Or, to put it another way -- which kind of is luck: What "the right work" is, and whether you reach your market or not, is influenced by so many other hard-to-predict things besides your own input, that getting it right among all these confounding factors is pretty much the definition of "luck".

Re: Ask HN: If I am so smart, why I am not rich?

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Each part is necessary, but in itself not sufficient. Successful business takes hard work, the right work, done well, reaching a market that needs it and can afford it. Motivation by itself is worthless. Working on the wrong thing is worthless. Working hard on the wrong thing is worthless. Being smart isn't about doing Integral Calculus. It's about deciding to work on the right thing. Most of all a business needs to…

So if that’s all it takes? Then why are so many businesses failures? I bet if you got in a room with 30 people and they all told you their story without mentioning the outcome and you could judge the characteristics you mentioned and they were all equal, you couldn’t predict which ones are successful business people and which ones are failures. On the other hand, if you gave 10 people a job at BigTech, 10 a job at a…

> So if that’s all it takes? Then why are so many businesses failures? I bet if you got in a room with 30 people and they all told you their story without mentioning the outcome and you could judge the characteristics you mentioned and they were all equal, you couldn’t predict which ones are successful business people and which ones are failures.

Luck. Or, IOW, random variation. In physics, you could probably predict the position[1] of every atom in a confined volume of a gas, if you knew all their initial positions and velocities with sufficient precision... But that required precision is so high, and the effects of any infinitesimal deviation from the true state has such far-reaching chaotic effects, that it's in practice pretty much impossible.

Same with the social sciences, economy, and "the market" (whichever market it is you're entering): Random impossible-to-measure tiny variations add up to a chaotic sum of effects that manifests as what is usually called "good" -- or "bad" -- "luck", which probably accounts for almost as much of your success as anything you do (or don't do).

> On the other hand, if you gave 10 people a job at BigTech, 10 a job at a well known non tech company and told 10 to go start a business, which one of those groups do you think would have the highest median and mean compensation history over 5 years? 10 years?

> I posit that it would be BigTech, Enterprise Dev and the startup founders would come in dead last.

Yup, I'd guess so too... For N = 10 or so. Add an order of magnitude, and the mean might rise enormously -- though not the median.

[1]: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle notwithstanding.

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