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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by red-iron-pine »

rayiner wrote: post #99
verelo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ends up…i think it’s just happened. Been on this path for a while but the simple fact its treaties mean nothing totally trashes any reputation that was left, and it’s clear it’s run by the ultra wealthy. The people are just bystanders.

Trump literally got up on stage with Elon promising to do what he’s doing. Elon spent the entire last week before the election in Pennsylvania, a major swing state, telling people what the administration was to do. Trump also got up on stage with many of his key appointees, who were outspoken about what they were going to do. Now, they’re all doing those things. Like, you can say his policies are bad and you don’t li…

> I don’t watch mainstream media. I listen to some podcasts twice a week driving to work, and follow some people on X. Nothing Trump has done came as any surprise at all to me.

honestly its shocking that any of this is a surprise. dude was President once, and was consistently making attempts at this before, only to be hamstrung by Congress.

his entire 2nd run was pretty blunt about ties to Project 2025 and their aims. Even Drudge and Fox News covered this stuff.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #116
rayiner wrote: post #113

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That’s what DOJ is for. He’s got the pointiest eggheads working for him now. He should litigate everything. And if people don’t like where we’re at in 2 years or 4 years, they’ll vote accordingly! AP is reporting 8 months severance: https://apnews.com/article/trump-buyouts-to-all-federal-empl...

Roberts Seila Law decision explicitly states that Congress can --- outside of the situation of heads of single-director independent agencies --- limit the removal powers of the President. Further, the logic you're using implies that the entire federal workforce is exempt from literally any employment law of any sort. You may respond that the administration's pointy eggheads are going to craft persuasive arguments to…

The politics is inextricable from this since we’re talking about separation of powers. There is always a tension between democracy and the government’s status as an employer or contracting party. But if the political issue is loyalty of the federal bureaucracy to the agenda of the elected president, can Congress constrain the president’s ability to act on that political issue? I think that’s a very different analysis.

And there’s no such thing as “unitary executive theory.” It’s a label created to make the meaning of Article II seem somehow esoteric. It’s like saying “first amendment theory” or “equal protection theory.”

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by rayiner »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #131
rayiner wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump literally got up on stage with Elon promising to do what he’s doing. Elon spent the entire last week before the election in Pennsylvania, a major swing state, telling people what the administration was to do. Trump also got up on stage with many of his key appointees, who were outspoken about what they were going to do. Now, they’re all doing those things. Like, you can say his policies are bad and you don’t li…

> I don’t watch mainstream media. I listen to some podcasts twice a week driving to work, and follow some people on X. Nothing Trump has done came as any surprise at all to me. honestly its shocking that any of this is a surprise. dude was President once, and was consistently making attempts at this before, only to be hamstrung by Congress. his entire 2nd run was pretty blunt about ties to Project 2025 and their aims…

Framing this as “Project 2025” makes it seem like he distanced himself from these policies. The policies in his EOs are from his own platform: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-pa.... If you listened to a couple of his long form podcasts and rallies, these things were all in there.

Obviously there’s a lot of overlap between what Trump campaigned on and Project 2025. But Trump hasn’t issued any EOs banning abortion or similar issues that were in Project 2025 but not his own platform.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by ceejayoz »

rayiner wrote: post #99
verelo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ends up…i think it’s just happened. Been on this path for a while but the simple fact its treaties mean nothing totally trashes any reputation that was left, and it’s clear it’s run by the ultra wealthy. The people are just bystanders.

Trump literally got up on stage with Elon promising to do what he’s doing. Elon spent the entire last week before the election in Pennsylvania, a major swing state, telling people what the administration was to do. Trump also got up on stage with many of his key appointees, who were outspoken about what they were going to do. Now, they’re all doing those things. Like, you can say his policies are bad and you don’t li…

Oh, come on. They lied through their teeth.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-t...

> Former President Donald Trump denied any connection to Project 2025, the handbook for a new conservative government written by the Heritage Foundation and several right-wing think tanks, in his Sept. 10 debate with Vice President Kamala Harris.

> “I have nothing to do with Project 2025,” Trump said in the ABC News Presidential Debate. “I haven’t read it. I don’t want to read it purposely. I’m not going to read it.”

Then they hired/appointed its people and implemented their policies.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by stogot »

rayiner wrote: post #97
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

This is a pro-democracy move! Elections being accompanied by a large scale shakeup to help the elected president enact the agenda people voted for is a good thing actually. Ideally, every federal employee would respond to an election by maximally pushing to achieve the president’s agenda, like at a startup. That would be responsive democracy, where voting yields immediate and visible changes. If you mean something ot…

It’s actually a republic

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by tmaly »

andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

Albert Einstein once said “Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it; he who doesn't, pays it”

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by spencerflem »

maeil wrote: post #98
spencerflem wrote: post #79

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I think the left are resigned because the reason people were so fine with a "shake it up" Trump presidency is we've been run by billionaires over citizens for thirty+ years already, regardless of the party in power. The Dems are part of the path that lead us to this moment and aren't doing much of anything to reverse things. To me, it felt at the time like I was either making my last fair vote now, or they kick the c…

You're talking about them as separate groups, but it's likely that the majority of Americans who consider themselves part of "the left" have been voting for these piss-poor Dem candidates that have indeed willfully have led to this, for at least the last 3+ elections. If no one considering themselves part of "the left" would've gone out and voted for HRC and the dems got sent home with 40% of the vote back then, the…

i'm not convinced that the Dems are actually doing everything they can to win elections. my guess is, unforntunately, that we'd be doomed either way

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by spencerflem »

nickpp wrote: post #121
1659447091 wrote: post #108

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> People wanted this because news and social media have told them to want ... > are subject to a massive amount of astroturfing ... The wealthy chose Trump, and so it is People refuse to believe this can happen to them. Just as people do not believe they can be influenced by TikTok algos or advertising. They would know if it were happening to them; doesn't matter if they are left right east west up down or sideways,…

The exact same argument, that Trump voters were “influenced” by algos, can be made that anti-Trump voters were influenced by mainstream media or whatever. So you either believe that people have agency and actually decide for themselves, or that they are puppets and democracy is a sham.

Mainstream media is also for Trump - look at the contortions NYT et. al. are making to excuse Elon's Nazi salute.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by mckn1ght »

stogot wrote: post #135
rayiner wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pro-democracy move! Elections being accompanied by a large scale shakeup to help the elected president enact the agenda people voted for is a good thing actually. Ideally, every federal employee would respond to an election by maximally pushing to achieve the president’s agenda, like at a startup. That would be responsive democracy, where voting yields immediate and visible changes. If you mean something ot…

It’s actually a republic

Sure, a democratic one. So?

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by fooblaster »

DaSHacka wrote: post #94
fooblaster wrote: post #33

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Did you miss the part where the mob that stormed the capital was fully pardoned despite the incredible violence? This is dictator shit. He's telling his supporters violence is okay against his political enemies and he will cover for you.

Is this not exactly what Biden also did in his last month in office? So far both presidents have blanket pardoned a mix of political allies, family members, and rioters right in front of the American public and no one's talking about it... I feel like I'm going crazy, are people really this oblivious?

These guys maced a cop until he had a heart attack. They beat a guy nearly to death with a flagpole. Pardoning lunatics thst stormed the capital and nearly killed cops is not the same thing as Biden pardoning his son.
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