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I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by yawnxyz »

burkaman wrote: post #32

Obviously the AI version is bland and terrible, but arguably more importantly it has also completely changed the meaning of the message. The AI version: - apologizes - implies the recipient was "promised" this email as a "response" to something - blames a hectic schedule - invites questions None of this was in or was even implied in the original. This is not a "polished" version, it's just a straight-up different ema…

this is like when my manager once yelled at me for not writing in corp speak enough

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by miningape »

ebiester wrote: post #125
miningape wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter how much polishing a man does to his appearance / profile the biological reality is that women are sought after and men have to compete for their attention. There's some statistic along the lines of "the average female has about as much 'pull' as a male A list celebrity" This means that women will receive far more attention from the opposite sex, and therefore have an "easier" time finding potential partner…

I think it's instructive to sit down with a woman who trusts you and watch how they evaluate dating profiles. It was certainly eye-opening for me. Your biggest competition is not the other men on the app. It's "do you make their life better than being alone?"

> It's "do you make their life better than being alone?"

This is a really lovely sentiment and I wish more people approached it like this. I've never set up a dating profile and I don't plan to. But hiding stuff like fish pictures seems a bit over the top, surely if fishing is one of your passions you'd want to end up with someone who at least doesn't judge you for it.

Also keep in mind this approach of making sure your dating profile is "optimised" only works until a large enough %age of men's profiles are "optimised" - then its back to square 1 to figure out how to optimise it further to put yourself at the front of the queue again. We've seen what the SEO arms race has done to search engines, do we really want to do the same thing for dating?

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by danparsonson »

MrMcCall wrote: post #85
danparsonson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh come on - we've been doing this since way before crypto was a thing. We knew about climate change in the 80s.

So then it's ok to not only continue ignoring it as the evidence mounts, but to actually accelerate it? No. No, it's not. It doesn't matter how many fools do something, they're still fools. The root word of ignorance is "to ignore".

You said

"Note that this all started with all that digital coin-mining"

But it didn't. That's what I'm saying.

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by taco_emoji »

miningape wrote: post #120
ebiester wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've been set up by mutual friends, that means you have someone vouch for you. That means you're more likely to be safe. A bad experience for you is a bad couple of hours and a few hundred hours. Ask a woman, what is a bad experience for them?

Again you're coming at this with such intense anti-male rhetoric - take a step back and look at the problems beyond your own. Yes I completely agree women DO need to be more careful as they are far more vulnerable and men far more likely to take advantage. HOWEVER, playing off bad experiences for men as "a bad couple of hours" is just disingenuous. Women can absolutely ruin a mans life and reputation in those "couple…

Incredibly confused about what is "anti-male" about GP's post?

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by the_snooze »

mcpar-land wrote: post #111
idoco wrote: post #22

I get the frustration, but I think there’s a hidden assumption in this discussion: that everyone can write well in English. Only about 5% of the world’s population are native English speakers, but more than twice that number use it daily. For many, AI rewriting isn’t about losing personal style—it’s about making sure they can communicate clearly in a language that isn’t their first. It’s fair to dislike how AI flatte…

If you can't translate your email into a foreign language, how is the AI going to rewrite your incorrect prose into correct prose? it's working on something incorrect. And then after the ai rewrites it, how can you tell if it's saying what you want it to? When I'm communicating with a non-native speaker, I intentionally use shorter / easier to translate words and sentences, and I give them more leeway with word usage…

>If you can't translate your email into a foreign language, how is the AI going to rewrite your incorrect prose into correct prose? it's working on something incorrect. And then after the ai rewrites it, how can you tell if it's saying what you want it to?

Absolutely this. "Accessibility" and "participation" are great goals on paper, but the tools at hand are likely to introduce confusion because the user fundamentally isn't in a position to judge the quality of the output.

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by danparsonson »

cowfriend wrote: post #114
danparsonson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh come on - we've been doing this since way before crypto was a thing. We knew about climate change in the 80s.

We knew about climate change in the 1880s. There, fixed it for you.

Thanks; I don't think I said that we didn't know about it before the 1980s but extra information is rarely a bad thing.

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by ebiester »

miningape wrote: post #132
ebiester wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's instructive to sit down with a woman who trusts you and watch how they evaluate dating profiles. It was certainly eye-opening for me. Your biggest competition is not the other men on the app. It's "do you make their life better than being alone?"

> It's "do you make their life better than being alone?" This is a really lovely sentiment and I wish more people approached it like this. I've never set up a dating profile and I don't plan to. But hiding stuff like fish pictures seems a bit over the top, surely if fishing is one of your passions you'd want to end up with someone who at least doesn't judge you for it. Also keep in mind this approach of making sure y…

You absolutely can put it in your hobbies!

The issue is that you rarely look your best in those pictures, and unless you are explicitly looking to date someone who loves to fish, you aren't showing them how they would integrate into your life.

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by bloomingkales »

ebiester wrote: post #117
bloomingkales wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it so hard to believe that going onto a digital marketplace with an order of magnitude more humans than you would ever physically deal with physically is probably what's leading to a type of thalassophobia (the fear of deep or vast bodies of water)? Life is simple. He or she lived in the town, or your school, or was someone you pass by on the way to work daily. It's not some complicated digital dance where the uni…

So, if a man has a bad experience, they're out a few hundred bucks and a few hours, in general. Ask a woman who trusts you about their worst experiences sometime.

Safety is super important and I share your concern. I think online dating is similar to the internet. When the Internet started, there was a niche group that were really into it (early adopters). This was also true for dating apps in their infancy. It was safer simply because the pool was self selected (you had to be open minded to even try it).

Then the internet became for everyone and so did online dating. When there's that many people involved, things get more unsafe. It's not the same pool of early adopters on the same wavelength. It's everyone now, and everyone includes every wave length.

Stay safe!

Re: I do not want AI to "polish" me

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Post by codr7 »

ragazzina wrote: post #77
bloomingkales wrote: post #3

There is no way in hell anyone who knows me would get that email and not think I’d been abducted This person cares about not putting up a fake identity. That's pretty cool, but social media has exposed that a large number of people are perfectly fine presenting an illusion. People will have no shame passing off well written things as an output of their talent and hard work. Digital makeup has no bounds.

> People will have no shame passing off well written things as an output of their talent and hard work. Sometimes I don't want to waste my time crafting a professional e-mail to a bunch of jerks full of themselves. Maybe I want to write it as it comes off my brain, and let my digital scribe to reformulate it so that the people reading it feel respected/validated/flattered. Am I putting up a fake identity then? Am I p…

I see no problem, assholes deserve bullshit.
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