DeepSeek have more integrity than 'Open'AI by not even pretending to care about that.
OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
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#32LOL, I was thinking exactly the same think when I read the news about openai whining.
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#33"You can't take data without asking" seems like a court precedent OpenAI really, really, really wants to avoid. And yet...
Why? When did large companies care about laws? See e.g. Uber, AirBnb.
The only thing government cares about at this point is if information is shared with China.
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#34It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)
Would it even matter? Isn't the cat out of the bag and everything they did repeatable by an American research team?
It matters because their goal was hyping up how advanced and difficult their tech is, propping up their valuations.
DeepSeek proved the emperor had no clothes and wiped out a lot of their valuation when investors saw reaching parity to Chtgpt is not really that difficult.
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#35This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
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#36This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
Also, DeepSeek is allegedly... better? So saying they just copied ClosedAI isn't really sufficient of an answer. Seems to be just bluster because the US Govt would probably accept any excuse to ban it, see TikTok.
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#37Information wants to be free! No, not like that!
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#38It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)
> "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)
The value was highly speculative, an illusion created by PR and sentiment momentum. "Hype value" not real value (unless you're able to realize it and dump those bags on someone else before fundamentals set in). Same thing happening with power companies downstream of the discovery that AI is not going to be a savior of sagging electricity demand. Overdriving the fundamentals is not value destruction, it is "I gambled and lost."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-28/deepseek-... | https://archive.today/mCemf
"In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine."
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenAI argues it’s a violation of their terms of service. So there are legal issues if it can be proven.
Legal issues for who? Company A pays OpenAI for their API. They use the API to generate or augment a lot of data. They own the data. They post the data on the open Internet. Company B has the habit of scraping various pages on the Internet to train its large language models, which includes the data posted by Company A. [1] OpenAI is undoubtedly breaking many terms of service and licenses when it uses most of the open…
For both.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#40It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)
Would it even matter? Isn't the cat out of the bag and everything they did repeatable by an American research team?
It doesn't matter from the US government perspective if all of the tech is replicated by US companies and US user continue to use US AI technology. But if US users start to use Chinese AI tech, then protectionism urges will appear that will likely figure out how to ban its use or subject it to large tariffs (e.g. TikTok, BYD, network equipment, solar panels, etc.)