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OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

#21
This is absolutely hilarious! :)

ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable!

Oh, the irony! :D

I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article!

https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

#22
As the article points out, they are arguing in court against the new york times that publicly available data is fair game.

The questions I am keenly waiting to observe the answer to (because surely Sam's words are lies): how hard is OpenAI willing to double down on their contradictory positions? What mental gymnastics will they use? What power will back them up, how, and how far will that go?

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

#23
The US government likely will favor a large strategic company like OpenAI instead of individual's copyrights, so while ironic, the US government definitely doesn't care.

And the US government is also likely itching to reduce the power of Chinese AI companies that could out compete US rivals (similar to the treatment of BYD, TikTok, solar panel manufacturers, network equipment manufacturers, etc), so expect sweeping legislation that blocks access to all Chinese AI endeavours to both the US and then soon US allies/West (via US pressure.)

The likely legislation will be on the surface justified both by security concerns and by intellectual property concerns, but ultimately it will be motivated by winning the economic competition between China and the US and it will attempt to tilt the balance via explicitly protectionist policies.

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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As the article points out, they are arguing in court against the new york times that publicly available data is fair game. The questions I am keenly waiting to observe the answer to (because surely Sam's words are lies): how hard is OpenAI willing to double down on their contradictory positions? What mental gymnastics will they use? What power will back them up, how, and how far will that go?

When large sums of money are involved the techbros will burn everything down, go scorched earth no matter what the consequences, to keep what they believe they're entitled to.

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

#28
This smells very suspiciously like: someone who doesn't know anything about AI (possibly Sacks) demanding answers on R1 from someone who doesn't have any good ones (possibly Altman). "Uh, (sweating), umm, (shaking), they stole it from us! Yeah, look at this suspicious activity, that's why they had it so easy, we did all the hard work first!"

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

#29

It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)

Would it even matter? Isn't the cat out of the bag and everything they did repeatable by an American research team?

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

#30

It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)

>By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.

That's why it's called a bubble. Pretty sure my great great grandad also overpaid for some tulips.

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