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Re: Datomic Free Edition

#11

Post by nirvana »

I saw this page, and was not surprised that it doesn't say what Datomic is. A lot of people make that mistake.

So, I clicked the link at the end of the page to go to your website. I followed some more links. I found three links that talked about feature, benefits, and the architecture, and clicked all three opening them in tabs.

I read the first part of every page and then skimmed the rest.

I have no damn clue what this is. Its something database. It has immutable facts from the past. Why would I use it?

All of your pages talk about features that might be important to someone who's considering the software, and about how it works, and stuff like that.

But never, in clear terms, what it is.

I have the same problem working on what we're doing here, what it is is new, so there's not an obvious "We're an X" or "We're an X with a Y" that I can give.

The best bet if that's the case for you, probably would be to do something like "Say you've got a Q and you need to W it while you're Z is already at X, if that's the case then Datonic will do P, O, and R for you giving you result Z!"

Or whatever is appropriate for whatever it is datomic is.

Just a constructive suggestion. Who would use it and why?

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#12

Post by pooriaazimi »

nirvana wrote: post #11

I saw this page, and was not surprised that it doesn't say what Datomic is. A lot of people make that mistake. So, I clicked the link at the end of the page to go to your website. I followed some more links. I found three links that talked about feature, benefits, and the architecture, and clicked all three opening them in tabs. I read the first part of every page and then skimmed the rest. I have no damn clue what t…

This is exactly what happened to me. I wanted to know what it is, opened those pages in tabs, read half of first one and skipped to the second one. It was soooo long (http://docs.datomic.com/tutorial.html) I knew I couldn't finish reading it in less than 5 hours and came here to ask: What is this, and why/who would want to use it? It could be useful for a project I'm working on, but I just couldn't understand what the damn thing is. And the fact that I have a headache obviously doesn't help.

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#13

Post by pooriaazimi »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #12
nirvana wrote: post #11

I saw this page, and was not surprised that it doesn't say what Datomic is. A lot of people make that mistake. So, I clicked the link at the end of the page to go to your website. I followed some more links. I found three links that talked about feature, benefits, and the architecture, and clicked all three opening them in tabs. I read the first part of every page and then skimmed the rest. I have no damn clue what t…

This is exactly what happened to me. I wanted to know what it is, opened those pages in tabs, read half of first one and skipped to the second one. It was soooo long ( http://docs.datomic.com/tutorial.html ) I knew I couldn't finish reading it in less than 5 hours and came here to ask: What is this, and why/who would want to use it? It could be useful for a project I'm working on, but I just couldn't understand what…

OK. The FAQ is better, but not ideal: http://www.datomic.com/faq.html

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#14

Post by kinleyd »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #12
nirvana wrote: post #11

I saw this page, and was not surprised that it doesn't say what Datomic is. A lot of people make that mistake. So, I clicked the link at the end of the page to go to your website. I followed some more links. I found three links that talked about feature, benefits, and the architecture, and clicked all three opening them in tabs. I read the first part of every page and then skimmed the rest. I have no damn clue what t…

This is exactly what happened to me. I wanted to know what it is, opened those pages in tabs, read half of first one and skipped to the second one. It was soooo long ( http://docs.datomic.com/tutorial.html ) I knew I couldn't finish reading it in less than 5 hours and came here to ask: What is this, and why/who would want to use it? It could be useful for a project I'm working on, but I just couldn't understand what…

Probably the best way to get your mind around Datomic conceptually would be to watch these introductory videos[1] Rich and Stu put together when first introducing Datomic. It's pretty revolutionary, IMO.

Edit: In response to those too pressed for time to watch the videos, you can read the rationale[2] for Datomic. However, it is a bit long. Rich and Stu may want to summarize it for the really pressed for time. :)

[1] http://www.datomic.com/videos.html

[2] http://www.datomic.com/rationale.html

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#15

Post by charonn0 »

nirvana wrote: post #11

I saw this page, and was not surprised that it doesn't say what Datomic is. A lot of people make that mistake. So, I clicked the link at the end of the page to go to your website. I followed some more links. I found three links that talked about feature, benefits, and the architecture, and clicked all three opening them in tabs. I read the first part of every page and then skimmed the rest. I have no damn clue what t…

Who cares! It's free, evidently, and free must mean worth having, right?

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#16

Post by desireco42 »

nirvana wrote: post #11

I saw this page, and was not surprised that it doesn't say what Datomic is. A lot of people make that mistake. So, I clicked the link at the end of the page to go to your website. I followed some more links. I found three links that talked about feature, benefits, and the architecture, and clicked all three opening them in tabs. I read the first part of every page and then skimmed the rest. I have no damn clue what t…

So I had the same situation, I kind get what it is, however I figured, if it turns out to be popular, I will hear about it again and I can then spend some time with it. Taking into account novelty factor, they should focus a lot on explaining it to people.

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#17

Post by F_J_H »

nirvana wrote: post #11

I saw this page, and was not surprised that it doesn't say what Datomic is. A lot of people make that mistake. So, I clicked the link at the end of the page to go to your website. I followed some more links. I found three links that talked about feature, benefits, and the architecture, and clicked all three opening them in tabs. I read the first part of every page and then skimmed the rest. I have no damn clue what t…

Same. Scanned the page hoping to find "Datomic is a ______ that helps you _____..." sort of sentence, and after not seeing it in about 5 seconds or so, I clicked back, and then clicked on the comments link to see if someone had described it.

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#18

Post by krosaen »

Could someone explain what an "embedded durable storage engine" provided by the transactor-local storage is? Where is the data actually stored durably? Could I run my personal website with pet projects with datomic using the free edition and have the data stored safely (e.g not an in memory demo database?)

Re: Datomic Free Edition

#19

Post by mkmkmmmmm »

Why do people keep running blogs that are totally inoperable with mobile browsers? I'd like to have a more intelligent comment, but I was unable to scroll without activating links.
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