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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by johnny22 »

DaSHacka wrote: post #92
sundaeofshock wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people did not want this. A majority of voters voted for not Trump. He also spent the bulk of his campaign — aided by the press — distancing himself from project 2025. I’m on the left and I’m not resigned to this. I still have some fight left in me.

> The people did not want this. A majority of voters voted for not Trump. He won the popular vote though, unless I'm misunderstanding your point. > He also spent the bulk of his campaign — aided by the press — distancing himself from project 2025. What specific media companies did this? I heard nothing but negative things about Trump and constant pointing out ties to project 2025 by all major news networks, cable and…

> He won the popular vote though, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.

I think the distinction here is that only about 1/2 the population even voted.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

#102

Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #100

Federal employees have statutory no-cause termination protection, and the President presumably can't simply reclassify the federal workforce as "at-will".

Article II says: “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.” I doubt it’s constitutional for employment law to preclude the president from firing any executive branch employee.

It’s quite possible it’s constitutional to have contractual remedies for termination. I suspect that’s why there’s an 8 month severance.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

#104

Post by intermerda »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #82
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

How is president ordering to work from the office or resign - an end to democracy? This narrative is pure bs.

Are you being intentionally bad faith? Or did you not read the memo?

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

#105

Post by [deleted] »

malicka wrote: post #84
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it’s clear it’s run by the ultra wealthy. The people are just bystanders. The first part is true, the second is not. Yes, it's run by the ultra wealthy. But the people wanted this. The election wasn't in debate, and this wasn't a case of a popular vote/electoral college split. Also, for all of Trump's faults, hidden agendas really aren't one of them. People know exactly who he is, he said pretty much exactly wh…

> The first part is true, the second is not People wanted this because news and social media have told them to want – both which are functionally mouth-pieces of the ultra-wealthy. News has been consolidating into fewer hands for decades; it’s only getting worse, and their owners more emboldened. The popular social media sites, when not owned and manipulated directly by their owning oligarchs, are subject to a massiv…

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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

#106

Post by jrflowers »

DaSHacka wrote: post #92
sundaeofshock wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people did not want this. A majority of voters voted for not Trump. He also spent the bulk of his campaign — aided by the press — distancing himself from project 2025. I’m on the left and I’m not resigned to this. I still have some fight left in me.

> The people did not want this. A majority of voters voted for not Trump. He won the popular vote though, unless I'm misunderstanding your point. > He also spent the bulk of his campaign — aided by the press — distancing himself from project 2025. What specific media companies did this? I heard nothing but negative things about Trump and constant pointing out ties to project 2025 by all major news networks, cable and…

> Except maybe Fox…

This is a good question. Aside from the most popular cable news network for the past 20+ years in a row[1] that’s considered trusted by 40% of Americans[2], where did we hear that stuff?

1

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2024/01/30/fox-news...

2

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/04/08/five-fact...

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

#107

Post by seanmcdirmid »

DaSHacka wrote: post #92
sundaeofshock wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people did not want this. A majority of voters voted for not Trump. He also spent the bulk of his campaign — aided by the press — distancing himself from project 2025. I’m on the left and I’m not resigned to this. I still have some fight left in me.

> The people did not want this. A majority of voters voted for not Trump. He won the popular vote though, unless I'm misunderstanding your point. > He also spent the bulk of his campaign — aided by the press — distancing himself from project 2025. What specific media companies did this? I heard nothing but negative things about Trump and constant pointing out ties to project 2025 by all major news networks, cable and…

Trump won a plurality of the popular vote, but still only 49.8% of those who voted. So not even a majority of American voters, just that Harris got less (48.3%), so 1.5% of voters voted for Trump than Harris, and then the rest of the voters voting for someone else or leaving the president column blank.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

#108

Post by 1659447091 »

malicka wrote: post #84
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it’s clear it’s run by the ultra wealthy. The people are just bystanders. The first part is true, the second is not. Yes, it's run by the ultra wealthy. But the people wanted this. The election wasn't in debate, and this wasn't a case of a popular vote/electoral college split. Also, for all of Trump's faults, hidden agendas really aren't one of them. People know exactly who he is, he said pretty much exactly wh…

> The first part is true, the second is not People wanted this because news and social media have told them to want – both which are functionally mouth-pieces of the ultra-wealthy. News has been consolidating into fewer hands for decades; it’s only getting worse, and their owners more emboldened. The popular social media sites, when not owned and manipulated directly by their owning oligarchs, are subject to a massiv…

> People wanted this because news and social media have told them to want ...

> are subject to a massive amount of astroturfing ... The wealthy chose Trump, and so it is

People refuse to believe this can happen to them. Just as people do not believe they can be influenced by TikTok algos or advertising. They would know if it were happening to them; doesn't matter if they are left right east west up down or sideways, they are special snowflakes and it's those "others" that are the sheep that fall for it.

I did a stint in door-to-door sales (during a period of burn-out); as much as I didn't want to believe the shifty sales consultant that would come in and give sales training clinics, it's the people that absolutely know for sure they are not buying that were the ones I liked best--they won't be "tricked" or persuaded. No tricks needed, my personal ethics would not allow it even though there were "tips & suggestions" other sales people gave out; those that claim to be unsellable were almost always the sales I got the most commission from.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

#110

Post by seanmcdirmid »

johnny22 wrote: post #101
DaSHacka wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The people did not want this. A majority of voters voted for not Trump. He won the popular vote though, unless I'm misunderstanding your point. > He also spent the bulk of his campaign — aided by the press — distancing himself from project 2025. What specific media companies did this? I heard nothing but negative things about Trump and constant pointing out ties to project 2025 by all major news networks, cable and…

> He won the popular vote though, unless I'm misunderstanding your point. I think the distinction here is that only about 1/2 the population even voted.

No, the distinction is that 1.5% more voters chose Trump than chose Harris, but that still didn’t push Trump over 50% of the vote, so it’s correct to say that most voters didn’t vote for Trump, but to win the popular vote he only needed the most votes.
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