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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by sympil »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #27
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

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There is no reason to think that democracy in America is going to stop.

There are lots of reasons to think this is a real possibility. The American republic isn’t going to last forever and right now we are experiencing the greatest threat to our political stability since the Civil War. Texas likes to pass resolutions calling for secession when a Democrat wins the Presidency. We’ll see the call for secession become more common in the coming years and from liberal states.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by avs733 »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #20
jfengel wrote: post #15

Loyalty to whom? Your spouse? The country? Your immediate supervisor? Your coworkers? It's the things that aren't said that make it feel so Orwellian.

From the letter (emphasis mine): If you choose to remain in your current position, we thank you for your renewed focus on serving the *American people* to the best of your abilities and look forward to working together as part of an improved federal workforce.

“American people”

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by ergonaught »

andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

There are a number of major systemic risks.

As ever, the problem is compounded by the chunk of population who enable it, and the typically larger chunk of population who are unable or unwilling to recognize clear and present danger.

Or: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6-sI9rdtA

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Post by therealpygon »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #27
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

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That is exactly what people who believe Fox News fabrications and Trump lies say; that the “liberal” (read, “independently found to be the least biased comparatively”) media is just fear-mongering for reporting on the crooked behavior everyone knew would happen. Steps that he’s taken have all been outlined in Project 2025, which literally lays out the plan to rig elections moving forward by excluding any dissenting voices from a position of power that might resist such an overtaking of government, followed by wide spread gerrymandering. Then make excuses for why Democrats are being ousted at every level. The fact that people are so closed-minded as to believe anything he’s done is in good faith are astonishingly…gullible. I say this as someone who has voted for Republicans most of my life, until the Tea-party and the Trump-ilk poisoned the party. Worse still are, again, the gullible buying into the myriad of what are clearly, factually, lies. But, I’m sure if we all put our heads in the sand our democracy will totally be fine. At least it isn’t like one of his first actions was to attempt to prevent the exercise of constitutional rights to citizenship or anything, so I’m sure all our rights including those to a free and fair election are safe.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by CalRobert »

hedora wrote: post #44
spencerflem wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely, who are you expecting to stand up against it? The Democrats in Congress? Massive public demonstration? It feels all but inevitable to me

The Calexit people are gathering signatures right now: https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advi...

Edit: The current movement appears unrelated to Yes California - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

"""

“People think if you’re a secessionist, you’re crazy,” Ruiz Evans said on Saturday. “I hate Donald Trump,” he added. “I am full-blooded Mexican. The day he went on TV and said all Mexicans are rapists, I said, ‘He can go f** himself.’ “

He added: “When I see Trump pick on women, on LGBTQ people … my family left Texas for California to escape that. And when I look at Trump, it reminds me of all the horror stories my mom and my grandma told me from [the time] before they left.”

"""

Sign me up.

(original below)

I am absolutely in favor of an independent California, but in the past at least the backing for this has had ties to Putin (which makes sense, I suppose, it would cripple the US)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_California

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by oldwebguy94 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #21
smoovb wrote: post #17

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They've already issued RTO directives with timelines in place, and non-compliance will result in people losing their jobs. This letter is not about that. This is just a way to reduce headcount by the end of this FY before going to voluntary separation options like early retirement which might cost more (in total).

> this is just a way to reduce headcount by the end of this FY

It's not just a way to reduce headcount, as the next four years will make abundantly clear.

People will be hired back into these jobs under the new Schedule Policy/Career -- the replacement for Trump's Schedule F.

Basically: the people getting the offer now have protections set up by Biden in response to Trump's Schedule F, that Trump would like to buy them out of.

The people hired back into them will not. They will be asked to be loyal to Trump.

This isn't about money. This is about power.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by hedora »

fooblaster wrote: post #33
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Did you miss the part where the mob that stormed the capital was fully pardoned despite the incredible violence? This is dictator shit. He's telling his supporters violence is okay against his political enemies and he will cover for you.

There’s also the part where Secret Service agents are going to schools, lying about who they are, and trying to arrest children for making statements critical of Trump:

> "We had an incident happen in Chicago on Friday where there were some federal agents that showed up at a school asking to come in to interview an 11-year-old who had posted an anti-Trump video on TikTok.

> "They presented their credentials, they said [they were] Department of Homeland Security. The school was confused and said, 'No, you cannot come in.'

> "It turned out they were actually from the Secret Service, which does not enforce immigration law, but the school activated its protocol as if it were protecting that student, and said, 'You can't come in because you don't have a signed warrant.

Of course, Trump previously threatened to prosecute any state employees that don’t cooperate with such stuff. The school administration took on a lot of personal risk to protect that kid.

https://www.npr.org/hereandnow/2025/01/27/immigration-arrest...

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by Jtsummers »

oldwebguy94 wrote: post #57
Jtsummers wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already issued RTO directives with timelines in place, and non-compliance will result in people losing their jobs. This letter is not about that. This is just a way to reduce headcount by the end of this FY before going to voluntary separation options like early retirement which might cost more (in total).

> this is just a way to reduce headcount by the end of this FY It's not just a way to reduce headcount, as the next four years will make abundantly clear. People will be hired back into these jobs under the new Schedule Policy/Career -- the replacement for Trump's Schedule F. Basically: the people getting the offer now have protections set up by Biden in response to Trump's Schedule F, that Trump would like to buy th…

> Basically: the people getting the offer now have protections set up by Biden in response to Trump's Schedule F, that Trump would like to buy them out of.

This offer has gone out to all feds, not just those falling under Schedule F. You've not been paying attention if you believe the statements you've written.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by thepasswordis »

andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

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