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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by theonething »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #27
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

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Thank you for a voice of reason.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Hatchback7599 wrote: post #16
calrain wrote: post #4

Future America will understand that you don't treat government like a company. The money government spends on salaries is money directly injected back into the economy, it could be seen as a form of social welfare.

You know what else injects money back into the economy? Letting tax payers keep more of their tax dollars.

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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by fooblaster »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #27
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

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Did you miss the part where the mob that stormed the capital was fully pardoned despite the incredible violence? This is dictator shit. He's telling his supporters violence is okay against his political enemies and he will cover for you.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by spencerflem »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #27
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

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I think it is a very reasonable concern. The closest we've gotten was Trump, recorded on call, demanding that a Georgia election official "find" a few thousand more votes, and the attempt to "stop the steal" on Jan 6.

In response to that ... the courts have decided that the president has immunity for all acts, the insurrectionists were paroned, and a series of blatantly unconstitutional changes made including an end to birthright citizenship and shutting down all government payments despite being required to disperse them by congress.

It seems very, Very possible to me that we will have "elections" soon in the same way Russia has "elections".

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by daguava »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #27
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

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Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by laidoffamazon »

andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

I think the chance is about 10%.

That's too high of a chance, IMHO.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

calrain wrote: post #4

Future America will understand that you don't treat government like a company. The money government spends on salaries is money directly injected back into the economy, it could be seen as a form of social welfare.

Much like Hatchback said, I don't see why it is a good thing to inject money into the economy versus not taking it in the first place. I'm not saying that these efforts are going to work to make the bureaucracy more efficient (I simply don't have the expertise to judge that), but I think any attempted solution is better than deliberately allowing inefficiency to fester as a form of social welfare. The federal bureaucracy has been a literal joke for longer than I've been alive because of how much it wastes resources. Something has to change, even if these current steps don't turn out to be the right ones.

By all means, we should be critical and say "this plan isn't going to work because xyz". That's an important part of the process. But at some point we do have to try something and see how it pans out, then try to adjust the plan based on the results.

Re: Deferred resignation email to federal employees

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Post by spencerflem »

laidoffamazon wrote: post #38
andy_ppp wrote: post #23

Anyone else think it’s likely America ends up without being a meaningful democracy by the end of this? I am skeptical the stated goal is efficiency it’s loyalty to MAGA. Imagine how extreme they will get if you can never vote them out.

I think the chance is about 10%. That's too high of a chance, IMHO.

Genuinely, who are you expecting to stand up against it?

The Democrats in Congress? Massive public demonstration?

It feels all but inevitable to me

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