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New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

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Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

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post #4

USB is slowly approaching "single cable" solution. By adding power, USB3 and Thunderbolt are two differentiated solutions moving towards a similar goal.

While they are both "single cable" solutions, their differences give them different uses. Currently there are lots of cheap USB gadgets, and you probably have lots of USB cables floating around your house. Thunderbolt uses active cables, which means the cables contain hardware to code the signal specially for that cable. This allows much better guarantees of throughput, while making cables much more expensive. With this in mind, I think we are likely to see thunderbolt used in more 'dedicated' scenarios, like removable harddrives, displays, and printers. Daisy chaining means you don't need many ports either.

On the other hand, USB cables are cheap, but have less guarantees on throughput. In fact, since many ports could be on one hub, you can't even use all ports to there maximum potential. USB is likely to stay in its current position for the foreseeable future though.

Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#32
post #9

20v@5a! Nice! I can't wait to see USB ports instead of the 13.8v ports we currently have in cars. Sadly my 170w laptop still would need a separate adapter.

Unless your laptop is using 170W all the time, you could still charge it using just 100W. Even a very high powered laptop is probably using <10W in idle.

I used to think that too. But I just measured my ExoPC slate (Tablet, Atom N450, Pine Trail chipset); It draws 0.1W while suspended, 9W idling with screen off, 13W idling with screen on, and 18W with screen on and 100% CPU.

Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#33

20v@5a! Nice! I can't wait to see USB ports instead of the 13.8v ports we currently have in cars. Sadly my 170w laptop still would need a separate adapter.

> instead of the 13.8v ports we currently have in cars.

That's a bit too much precision for that standard. It's only ~13.8 V when your car is running and the alternator is charging the battery. When the car is off, it'll be 13 V or slightly less.

Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#34
post #15

Expect a new class of cheap USB gadgets in the future. USB powered microwave oven. There's a lot of toasty cheese melting power in 20 volts and 5 amps. There's going to be some patents filed...

Way ahead of you https://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/fundue.shtml :) (try the buy now button)

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Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#35
post #16

I'd be careful with these; it means you can't plug in an untrusted power supply anymore. Just imagine one of these cables also acting as a USB keyboard, which brings up a new terminal, adds an SSH authorized key and closes the terminal window without you even seeing it.

Since a true machine charger would have its data ports wired to ground, couldn't you make simple adapter that ensured that was the case? Then security wouldn't be an issue?

Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#36
post #16

I'd be careful with these; it means you can't plug in an untrusted power supply anymore. Just imagine one of these cables also acting as a USB keyboard, which brings up a new terminal, adds an SSH authorized key and closes the terminal window without you even seeing it.

Hopefully they decide to deal with it in the standard and make data blocking (or power-only if you prefer) cables feasible.

Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#37
post #16

I'd be careful with these; it means you can't plug in an untrusted power supply anymore. Just imagine one of these cables also acting as a USB keyboard, which brings up a new terminal, adds an SSH authorized key and closes the terminal window without you even seeing it.

Or worse, find a device driver (any device driver, thanks to plug-and-play) with an 0day and traipse around the kernel.

Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#38
post #16

I'd be careful with these; it means you can't plug in an untrusted power supply anymore. Just imagine one of these cables also acting as a USB keyboard, which brings up a new terminal, adds an SSH authorized key and closes the terminal window without you even seeing it.

And Thunderbolt is already dangerous, given that it's essentially just serialised PCI Express (so you've got a free view into RAM).

Re: New 100W USB 3.0 Spec Can Charge Laptops

#40
post #16

I'd be careful with these; it means you can't plug in an untrusted power supply anymore. Just imagine one of these cables also acting as a USB keyboard, which brings up a new terminal, adds an SSH authorized key and closes the terminal window without you even seeing it.

And Thunderbolt is already dangerous, given that it's essentially just serialised PCI Express (so you've got a free view into RAM).

But you don't typically plug in random, untrusted TB cables -- you do typically plug in random, untrusted chargers.
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