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Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Dario Amodei says software engineering is fully automated by 2027. You might have the 0.01% engineer left over, but that's it, the job is finished. I think people need to start considering strongly what kind of career they can re-skill to. https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace

It doesnt fully replace... You will always need someone speaking to it and able to properly debug etc.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Hello... Is it possible to use aider with a local model running in LMStudio (or ollama)? From a quick glance i did not see an obvious way to do that... Hopefully i am totally wrong!

yeah: aider --model ollama_chat/deepseek-r1:32b (or whatever)

This didn't work well for me, no changes are ever made but maybe it's because I'm just using the 14B model.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Jevon's Paradox says that you're probably wrong. But I'm worried about the same thing. The moat around human superiority is shrinking fast. And when it's gone, we may get more software, but will we need humans involved?

this is a better world. we can work a few hours a week and play tennis, golf, and argue politics with our friends and family over some good cheese and wine while the bots do the deployments.

Assuming you retain a good paying job and are not treated like a disposable commodity. That cheese and wine is not going to be free.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Dario isn't some hack that makes fake predictions.

No, but he does have quite the incentive to over-hype the capabilities of LLMs.

And he also has knowledge that isn't available to the public.

Combined with his generally measured approach, I would trust this over the observations of a layman with incentive to believe his career isn't 100% shot, because that sucks, of course you'd think that.

Unfortunately, it appears to be.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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I'm very sorry, but the goalposts are moving so far ahead now, that's it's very hard to keep track of. 6 months ago the same comments were saying "AI generated code is complete garbage is useless, and I have to rewrite everything all the time anyways". Now we're onto "need to prompt, apply patch, verify" and etc. Come on guys, time to look at it a bit objectively, and decide where we're going with it.

Quite the contrary, really. We've been seeing "success stories" with AI translating function calls for years now, it just doesn't get any attention or make any headlines because it's so simple. SIMD optimization is pretty much the lowest-hanging fruit of modern computation; a middle schooler could write working SIMD code if they understood the problem. There's certainly a bit of irony in the PR, but the code itself i…

It's been probably about 15 years since I've touched that, so I genuinely have no recollection of SIMD coding. But literally, that's the purpose of higher level automation? Like I don't know/remember it, I ask it to do stuff, it does, and the output is good enough. That's how a good chunk of companies operate - you get general idea of what to do, you write the code, then eventually it makes it to production.

As we patch the holes in the AI-code delivery pipeline, those human-involved issues will be resolved as well. Slowly, painfully, but it's just a matter of time at this point?

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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>AI won't need VSCode Why not? It's still going to be quicker for the AI to use automated refactoring tooling than to manually make all the changes itself.

Maybe I should have said: AI already doesn't need VSCode, or any IDE at all.

Maybe it would work better if it used an IDE rather than having to write flawless code without ever testing it?

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Dario Amodei says software engineering is fully automated by 2027. You might have the 0.01% engineer left over, but that's it, the job is finished. I think people need to start considering strongly what kind of career they can re-skill to. https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace

It doesnt fully replace... You will always need someone speaking to it and able to properly debug etc.

>always

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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> There will still be a need for skilled software engineers to understand domains, limitations of AI, and how to harness and curate AI to develop custom apps. But will there be a need for fewer engineers, though? That's the question. And the competition for those who remain employed would be fierce, way worse than today. Or so I fear. I hope I'm wrong.

no I think more engineers. especially those who can be a jack-of-all-trades. if a software project that takes normally 1 year of customer development can be done in 2 months, then that project is affordable to a wide array of business who would could never fund that kind of project before.

I can see more projects being deployed by smaller businesses, that would otherwise not be able to.

But how will this translate to engineering jobs? Maybe there will be AI tools to automate most of the stuff a small business needs done. "Ah," you may say, "I will build those tools!". Ok. Maybe. How many engineers do you need for that? Will the current engineering job market shrink or expand, and how many non-trash, well paid jobs will there be?

I'm not saying I know for sure how it'll go, but I'm concerned.

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Glad to hear you’re finding aider useful! There’s a faq entry about how these stats are computed [0]. Basically using git blame, since aider is tightly integrated with git. The faq links to the script that computes the stats. It’s not designed to be used on any repo, but you (or aider) could adapt it. You’re not the first to ask for these stats about your own repo, so I may generalize it at some point. [0] https://ai…

does this mean lines/diffs otherwise untouched are considered written by Aider? If a small change is made by an end-user to adjust an Aider result, who gets "credit"?

It works like normal git blame -- it literally uses git blame.

Whoever changed a line last gets credit. Only the new or newly changed lines in each release are considered.

So no, "lines/diffs otherwise untouched" are NOT considered written by aider. That wouldn't make sense?

Re: Promising results from DeepSeek R1 for code

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Dario Amodei says software engineering is fully automated by 2027. You might have the 0.01% engineer left over, but that's it, the job is finished. I think people need to start considering strongly what kind of career they can re-skill to. https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace

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