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Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#11
post #6

May I ask too to modify the bestcomments page? It should weight less on upvotes and more on time, currently I check everyday and it doesn't change that much.

Hey there, really dumb question = me, but where would i find the best comments page?

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Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#12
post #6

May I ask too to modify the bestcomments page? It should weight less on upvotes and more on time, currently I check everyday and it doesn't change that much.

Hey there, really dumb question = me, but where would i find the best comments page?

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Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#13
post #6

May I ask too to modify the bestcomments page? It should weight less on upvotes and more on time, currently I check everyday and it doesn't change that much.

Hey there, really dumb question = me, but where would i find the best comments page?

where would i find the best comments page?

From the lists that appear on the bottom of most HN pages

http://news.ycombinator.com/lists

to the link

http://news.ycombinator.com/bestcomments

Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#14
post #6

May I ask too to modify the bestcomments page? It should weight less on upvotes and more on time, currently I check everyday and it doesn't change that much.

Hey there, really dumb question = me, but where would i find the best comments page?

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Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#16
post #7
post #2

on a somewhat related note; any chance of getting points on comments back? My personal opinion is that it degrades the site tremendously not to be able to skim through a thread and see which comments others have deemed interesting/noteworthy/insightful by upvoting them.

I would really like to see comments I have upvoted... There are bunch of wise comments somewhere, that I have read, upvoted, and forgot.

http://news.ycombinator.com/saved?id=stralep

Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#17
post #6

May I ask too to modify the bestcomments page? It should weight less on upvotes and more on time, currently I check everyday and it doesn't change that much.

Hey there, really dumb question = me, but where would i find the best comments page?

While it would be easy to pass off your lack of knowledge on that link as a "newbie" or "lack of effort" the truth is that link (as was just pointed out) is buried at the bottom under the link labeled "lists". It's not on the top bar (where there is room).

So this is really a UI lesson in how if you are designing things you need to get the end user experience on your design. That link is probably missed by many people. Assuming it's something that PG wants people to see, it does need to be more easy to find. I'm sure many users have run into the same issue.

This is close to the equivalent of using "fine print" to try to slip something by someone (not saying that is what is going on here). But it's the same concept. You can make something easy to find or hard-er to find.

Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#18
post #7
post #2

on a somewhat related note; any chance of getting points on comments back? My personal opinion is that it degrades the site tremendously not to be able to skim through a thread and see which comments others have deemed interesting/noteworthy/insightful by upvoting them.

I would really like to see comments I have upvoted... There are bunch of wise comments somewhere, that I have read, upvoted, and forgot.

It would be useful to be able to 'star' or 'favourite' a comment or submission, to have them accessible in a private list, and to see how many people had done this to your own comments/submissions.

I wouldn't like this to be generally visible though. As others have said, it creates a halo effect and discourages diversity of opinions.

Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#19
post #2

on a somewhat related note; any chance of getting points on comments back? My personal opinion is that it degrades the site tremendously not to be able to skim through a thread and see which comments others have deemed interesting/noteworthy/insightful by upvoting them.

I like seeing comment points but I'm not sure that it's a good thing to display them. Threads are already sorted by comment score so that the best comments are close to the top - I'm not sure what additional benefit comes from seeing the actual snapshot numbers aside from sheer curiosity.

Threads are sorted by comment score and by age, with newer threads floating to the top. I think this is a great heuristic.

My only beef is that this also naturally floats poor replies to great comments. It would be nice to have a good heuristic to know when to read the replies and when to move on to the next thread. I think one does exist: expandos. Give us the ability to expand and compact threads, and then automatically compact any old replies that haven't received a reasonable number of upvotes. I use the extension from hckrnews.com to give me expandos, but intelligent compaction would be so much sweeter.

Re: Ask PG: Any chance of an update on "What I've learned from Hacker News"?

#20
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like seeing comment points but I'm not sure that it's a good thing to display them. Threads are already sorted by comment score so that the best comments are close to the top - I'm not sure what additional benefit comes from seeing the actual snapshot numbers aside from sheer curiosity.

I agree. Also it creates a halo effect. And creates more incentive to click either up or down depending on how you view the number relative to your own opinion. Not having a count gives new comments a chance (since you don't automatically look at the "minutes ago" part). So a new comment can be not at the bottom giving it a chance to gain more exposure even though it has no points.

I also agree. From what I've seen on StackOverflow, having visible points encourages posting to gain points rather than to enrich the discussion.
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