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Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by wkat4242 »

infecto wrote: post #149
wkat4242 wrote: post #57

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The US models are also full of censorship. For example the US is much more sensitive to anything related to sexuality and here in Europe it's quite frustrating to deal with that censorship.

I think we will find that each region will have their own flair of censorship. The only reason it stands out more from a Chinese perspective is the requirement to have alignment with PRC/CCP rhetoric.

Yes that's what I mean. I wish all models were uncensored and it would just be up to the implementer to decide how to finetune on top of that. Save for the super crazy stuff of course.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by xigoi »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #191
icetank wrote: post #118

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I can tell you from personal experience that chatgpt is a game changer in universities and schools. Close to 100% of students use chatgpt to study. I know in our university pretty much everyone that attends exams uses chatgpt to study. Chatgpt is arguably more valuable then Wikipedia and Google for studies.

There was a posting, some time ago, about someone complaining that their young, primary-school-age sister was using ChatGPT to an absurd degree. I'm not sure that's a bad thing. She'll probably be one of the Thought Leaders, of Generation AI. I think that ML will have a really big impact on almost everyone, in every developed (and maybe developing, as well) nation. We need to keep in mind that ML is still very much i…

Offloading all your thinking to a machine will not make you a “thought leader”, but rather a nitwit who can’t tie their shoelaces without asking ChatGPT.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by xigoi »

danielbln wrote: post #148
liendolucas wrote: post #143

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Yeah, and when I was in high school everyone used to refer to Encarta. > I know in our university pretty much everyone that attends exams uses chatgpt to study. And they shouldn't be doing that. They are wrong. Students should be reading suggested bibliography and spending long hours with an open book in a table instead of being lazy and abuse a tech that is yet in its infancy when learning concepts. Studying with a…

You sound like our teachers back in the day, warning us to not use Wikipedia because "everyone can write stuff there!!". The kids will be fine.

The information on Wikipedia is mostly correct except for controversial topics.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

DeflectedFlux wrote: post #193
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #171

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My gut says a lot of attention needs to be given to building a community that focuses on open and reliable access to clean training data. If a collective/coop of individuals and organizations with storage and network capacity could collaborate with each other to archive and index deduplicated training data that would be huge. Perhaps this is already happening. I was looking at Red Pajama last year as an example. Some…

Thats an awesome idea, didnt know Red Pajama yet.

It might need to involve some torrent or anonymity platforms to avoid problems like Books3 had when the use and availability of the data is restricted by some jurisdictions.

It also needs to incorporate some deduplication approach as I notice the same data is often repackaged with variations in format or specification.

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

anthk wrote: post #162
prettyStandard wrote: post #105

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Zero impact? AI is involved in things from writing laws to taking drive through orders.

And it will create horrible un-debuggable bugs, human-killing causalities and who knows what more. Welcome to Idiocracy.

So far I've found the bugs that it writes to be indistinguishable from the bugs that I'd write. Like, you look at it and think:

> Oh I see what you were going for, but no...

It's learning its deficiencies from us. That's concerning for many reasons, but "un-dubuggable bugs" is pretty far down on the list for me.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

xigoi wrote: post #222
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #191

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There was a posting, some time ago, about someone complaining that their young, primary-school-age sister was using ChatGPT to an absurd degree. I'm not sure that's a bad thing. She'll probably be one of the Thought Leaders, of Generation AI. I think that ML will have a really big impact on almost everyone, in every developed (and maybe developing, as well) nation. We need to keep in mind that ML is still very much i…

Offloading all your thinking to a machine will not make you a “thought leader”, but rather a nitwit who can’t tie their shoelaces without asking ChatGPT.

It was a joke.

Anyway, I'm old enough to remember when use of calculators made one a nitwit.

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Post by redcobra762 »

ossobuco wrote: post #220
redcobra762 wrote: post #217

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No, they’ve acknowledged the policy. The US has not “agreed” with the policy, which is different. Also, as someone in the US I can very safely say that Taiwan is not China and have no concern for my safety.

> Also, as someone in the US I can very safely say that Taiwan is not China and have no concern for my safety. But you will be arrested if you stage a peaceful pro-Palestine protest asking for an end to the ongoing genocide. Or even worse, if you say that Palestine is not Israel.

No I won't, in either case.

Watch: Palestine is not Israel.

Look, nobody swooping in from the rafters to lock me up. I have zero worries the government will do anything at all about my making this claim.

And if staging peaceful pro-Palestine protests result in arrests, what happened here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_March_on_Washington:_...

or here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Gaza

Or does that not fit your narrative?

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by ossobuco »

redcobra762 wrote: post #227
ossobuco wrote: post #220

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> Also, as someone in the US I can very safely say that Taiwan is not China and have no concern for my safety. But you will be arrested if you stage a peaceful pro-Palestine protest asking for an end to the ongoing genocide. Or even worse, if you say that Palestine is not Israel.

No I won't, in either case. Watch: Palestine is not Israel. Look, nobody swooping in from the rafters to lock me up. I have zero worries the government will do anything at all about my making this claim. And if staging peaceful pro-Palestine protests result in arrests, what happened here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_March_on_Washington:_... or here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Gaz…

> Watch: Palestine is not Israel.

Yes, that works because you're an anon and nobody really cares. Try to publicly make that statement if you're in any relevant position and you'll very quickly be looking for a new job, if you can ever find it.

> And if staging peaceful pro-Palestine protests result in arrests, what happened here?

Be honest, you can literally google "Palestine protest arrests" and get more results than you could process in a while. You presenting a couple examples doesn't negate the many other protests ended in mass arrests.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by redcobra762 »

ossobuco wrote: post #229
redcobra762 wrote: post #227

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No I won't, in either case. Watch: Palestine is not Israel. Look, nobody swooping in from the rafters to lock me up. I have zero worries the government will do anything at all about my making this claim. And if staging peaceful pro-Palestine protests result in arrests, what happened here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_March_on_Washington:_... or here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Gaz…

> Watch: Palestine is not Israel. Yes, that works because you're an anon and nobody really cares. Try to publicly make that statement if you're in any relevant position and you'll very quickly be looking for a new job, if you can ever find it. > And if staging peaceful pro-Palestine protests result in arrests, what happened here? Be honest, you can literally google "Palestine protest arrests" and get more results tha…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Tlaib would like a word.

She would not be a politician (or even alive) if any of what you claim is true. You claimed that the US government censors people who speak out against Israel's occupation of Palestine, and specifically that saying Palestine isn't Israel would not be possible in the United States in the same way that saying, for example, Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the pooh is censored in China.

This is, of course, completely false, and demonstrably so by observing the protests I just linked (of which there are thousands, not a few), and the statements Rep. Tlaib, a Palestinian American and member of the US government, regularly says on the national stage.

The equivocation of Chinese censorship and Western censorship simply doesn't work.

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