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Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by dgfitz »

diggan wrote: post #192
dgfitz wrote: post #189

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https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=+find+the+meaning+of+a+joke+r... Second result. The first is this post.

Wow, the 90s came back to visit us at HN :) So funni. Did quick scroll through the results, none of them seem to find the correct joke (none of the links even include "Spain" for me). Try again :) For the record, this is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/XdsBGfM.png (no links to HN?)

Yeah... when I googled it initially I guess I got personalized results. After I left the link here I clicked on it (bad order of operations) and was surprised to find a much different set of search results.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by timeon »

ithkuil wrote: post #120
timeon wrote: post #71

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> DeepSeek built their base models off Llama releases and OpenAI outputs Those models are also trained on data that was ignoring licenses / copyrighted content.

That's a problem for sure. But why would that argument play in favour china which would be even less constrained by licenses / copyright ?

I didn't mean it as favour for China. Just that this industry is unfortunately like that.

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Post by dgroshev »

jampekka wrote: post #175
dgroshev wrote: post #106

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This is nonsense though. What does "better" mean in this case? A judge is not a black box with an input (the case) and an output (the verdict), the entire point of having a judge is to have empathy, conscience, and personal responsibility built into the system. It's a blind spot that too many people have because we take those qualities for granted. LLMs unbundle them, so we need to start recognising the inherent valu…

In civil law countries verdicts should not depend on an individual judge's feefees.

A judgement is by necessity subjective. Have a look at some sentencing remarks, for example this, point 19 forward: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Wayne-Co...

Someone has to make a call. The weight of the call rests on the person's life experience, their understanding of the context and the cost to the society, their empathy to both the defendant and the accused, and their conscience. Treating it as a black box exercise misses the point completely.

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Post by xdennis »

prettyStandard wrote: post #105
catmanjan wrote: post #81

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>far more impact and reach. Absurd, AI has had zero impact in the everyday life of most of the population of Earth, in fact the biggest impact has been upon the wallets of speculators

Zero impact? AI is involved in things from writing laws to taking drive through orders.

Zero impact is an exaggeration, but what others have pointed out is that there aren't a lot of companies primarily based on AI which are making a profit. Personally I can't think of any.

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Post by redcobra762 »

ossobuco wrote: post #205
redcobra762 wrote: post #79

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The difference is that in China the info isn’t available without use of Western content, due to the totalitarian control over media, whereas in the West, information is pretty trivially available, even if the big companies keep it off of their platforms. And sure ignorance is prevalent, but even GPT4 will tell me Donbas is still Ukraine, for instance. What a strange example to use, though!

If western governments are so tolerant and permissive with information, I wonder why can't I access RT in Europe?

Because you don’t know how to use a Western VPN?

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Post by liendolucas »

danielbln wrote: post #181
master-lincoln wrote: post #167

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I don't know why you are being downvoted. Learning from something that regularly hallucinates info doesn't seem right. I think AI is a good starting point to learn about what terms to research on your own though.

OP is downvoted because of "students should be at a table with a book and that's it", like it's the 50s. LLMs can be wonderful study aids but do have plenty of issues with hallucination, and they should therefore only be part of a holistic research mix, alongside search engines, encyclopedias, articles and yes, books. Turning Amish is probably not the right way to go though.

If you want reputable sources of information, books are unparalleled like it or not, it's a fact.

> "students should be at a table with a book and that's it"

That's not what I meant (or yes if you take what you read literally):

What I meant was whole process that your brain goes through when you read, synthesize information, take notes, do an exercise, check answers, compare different explanations/definitions from different authors, etc. makes at least from my point of view a rich way to study a topic.

I'm not saying that technology can't help you out. When you watch for example a 3brown1blue video you are definitely putting good use of technology to aid you to understand or literally "view" a concept. That's ok and actually in many cases can be revealing. You can't get that from a book! But on the other side a book also forces you to do the hard work of thinking and maybe come up with such visualizations and ideas by your own.

Happy to be pointed as an "Amish" when it comes to studying/learning things ;) but I hope that I convinced you that what I explained has nothing of Amish but that you don't need a source of power to read a book.

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Post by redcobra762 »

ossobuco wrote: post #157
redcobra762 wrote: post #68

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I don’t think “Taiwan is China” is the same kind of massaging as not telling people how to make napalm… What a weird thing to equate, though!

But Taiwan is China. Even the USA acknowledge that.

No, they’ve acknowledged the policy. The US has not “agreed” with the policy, which is different.

Also, as someone in the US I can very safely say that Taiwan is not China and have no concern for my safety.

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Post by ossobuco »

redcobra762 wrote: post #215
ossobuco wrote: post #205

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If western governments are so tolerant and permissive with information, I wonder why can't I access RT in Europe?

Because you don’t know how to use a Western VPN?

Isn't it the same in China then? They can also use VPNs

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Post by brianstrimp »

frabcus wrote: post #50
brianstrimp wrote: post #8

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Only meaningful if code+data deterministically reproduce the weights. At that point, the weights are just the cached output. Which has value since it's costly to produce from code+data.

I don't think it needs to be deterministic - and if it isn't, having the data and code becomes even more important! Compilers generally aren't deterministic (see the reproduceable build movement), yet we still use their output binaries.

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Post by ossobuco »

redcobra762 wrote: post #217
ossobuco wrote: post #157

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But Taiwan is China. Even the USA acknowledge that.

No, they’ve acknowledged the policy. The US has not “agreed” with the policy, which is different. Also, as someone in the US I can very safely say that Taiwan is not China and have no concern for my safety.

> Also, as someone in the US I can very safely say that Taiwan is not China and have no concern for my safety.

But you will be arrested if you stage a peaceful pro-Palestine protest asking for an end to the ongoing genocide.

Or even worse, if you say that Palestine is not Israel.

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