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Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by danielbln »

master-lincoln wrote: post #167
liendolucas wrote: post #143

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Yeah, and when I was in high school everyone used to refer to Encarta. > I know in our university pretty much everyone that attends exams uses chatgpt to study. And they shouldn't be doing that. They are wrong. Students should be reading suggested bibliography and spending long hours with an open book in a table instead of being lazy and abuse a tech that is yet in its infancy when learning concepts. Studying with a…

I don't know why you are being downvoted. Learning from something that regularly hallucinates info doesn't seem right. I think AI is a good starting point to learn about what terms to research on your own though.

OP is downvoted because of "students should be at a table with a book and that's it", like it's the 50s. LLMs can be wonderful study aids but do have plenty of issues with hallucination, and they should therefore only be part of a holistic research mix, alongside search engines, encyclopedias, articles and yes, books. Turning Amish is probably not the right way to go though.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by dbspin »

hendersoon wrote: post #163
dbspin wrote: post #155

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The early years of the web were absolutely this chaotic maelstrom of new things happening every week. But news of it was hard to come by. In the UK / Ireland we had some great tech coverage in the form of shows like 'The Net' [1] that regularly showed off early internet craziness like the 'We Live in Public' project. However a better analogy would be the 'web 2.0' era, when as a college student I had an early interne…

Once upon a time I worked for Pseudo.com, the We Live in Public guy. He was apparently having crazy parties with mountains of coke, NY glitterati attending, all while cosplaying as a sad clown. I wasn't invited to those parties so I had no idea. Anyway now I hear he owns an orchard in Vegas or something. Crazy stuff.

Damn that must be frustrating. Tangentially similar experience - I flew from Ireland to the US in 2007, and at the end of my trip spent 11 days walking around Manhattan with little to do. Do to the lack of online banking at the time I couldn't readily check my bank balance, and thought (wrongly) I'd run out of money. Anyway - I had absolutely no idea that there were 'things afoot' in Brooklyn, nor how easy it would have been to hop a train to Williamsburg, or Bushwick. I didn't come back again till 2013, and caught a mere hint of the tail end of what seems to have been an extremely fun era.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by nyrikki »

jampekka wrote: post #175
dgroshev wrote: post #106

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This is nonsense though. What does "better" mean in this case? A judge is not a black box with an input (the case) and an output (the verdict), the entire point of having a judge is to have empathy, conscience, and personal responsibility built into the system. It's a blind spot that too many people have because we take those qualities for granted. LLMs unbundle them, so we need to start recognising the inherent valu…

In civil law countries verdicts should not depend on an individual judge's feefees.

They should depend on individual case specifics, which is exactly what PAC learning is bad at.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by [deleted] »

salviati wrote: post #127
icetank wrote: post #118

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I can tell you from personal experience that chatgpt is a game changer in universities and schools. Close to 100% of students use chatgpt to study. I know in our university pretty much everyone that attends exams uses chatgpt to study. Chatgpt is arguably more valuable then Wikipedia and Google for studies.

Let me add that this change compounds over time. More efficient studying results in more competent people. I believe it's very hard to measure the impact, but there is a very positive long term impact from how much these tools help with learning.

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Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by famouswaffles »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #21
raxxor wrote: post #9

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Oh yes, I am firmly on Team China here because US companies got too greedy. Meta is an exception here though and they also propelled AI development massively. DeepSeek is awesome. Any AI task yet implemented in our business can be run from my local PC with just the smaller models. And my PC is fairly crappy to begin with. OpenAI looks quite silly with their "we have to close everything".

The US companies got too greedy? How? They invented this entire space, literally. DeepSeek built their base models off Llama releases and OpenAI outputs (or so it’s thought), and while they added some optimizations on top, it seems like they’ve lied about the costs to produce their models by simply being vague about their base model and training data, and quoting the cost of their final training run. And then there’s…

>DeepSeek built their base models off Llama releases and OpenAI outputs (or so it’s thought)

The first one is definitely not true and the 2nd one is not necessarily true in the way you imagine i.e crawls of the internet will have gpt chat logs now.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by arkh »

pjc50 wrote: post #83
ipnon wrote: post #10

Is this what the Web was like in the beginning? Something exciting and fascinating every week?

The last time I was really excited by tech was in the 90s, when game graphics improved spectacularly over a period of a few years, from Wolfenstein in 1992 to Half-Life in 1998. Along the way people invented the 3D GPU: https://fabiensanglard.net/3dfx_sst1/ But AI? To me, AI means the replacement of the human internet with doppelgangers eroding the possibility of human connection.

> But AI? To me, AI means the replacement of the human internet with doppelgangers eroding the possibility of human connection.

Like Amazon killed the big book sellers giving back some space for small bookshops; I think LLM slop will hit the big social media space for smaller human focused community sites. Not saying forums are coming back, but something like those should be able to rise.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by voidUpdate »

diggan wrote: post #176
mojuba wrote: post #172

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> Chatgpt is arguably more valuable then Wikipedia and Google for studies. But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google. For the consumers it's an incremental thing (although from the engineering perspective it may seem to be a breakthrough).

> But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google It really isn't, unless something really majorly changed recently. Neither of those you can query for something you don't know about. Lets say you want to find the meaning of a joke related to cars, Spain, politicians and a fascist, how you'd use Wikipedia and Google to find the specific joke I'm thinking about? ChatGPT been really helpful (to me at least) to find ne…

Every time I ask chatgpt, I get a different answer. Copilot refused to answer me. Not sure LLMs are the answer you're looking for here

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by dgfitz »

diggan wrote: post #176
mojuba wrote: post #172

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> Chatgpt is arguably more valuable then Wikipedia and Google for studies. But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google. For the consumers it's an incremental thing (although from the engineering perspective it may seem to be a breakthrough).

> But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google It really isn't, unless something really majorly changed recently. Neither of those you can query for something you don't know about. Lets say you want to find the meaning of a joke related to cars, Spain, politicians and a fascist, how you'd use Wikipedia and Google to find the specific joke I'm thinking about? ChatGPT been really helpful (to me at least) to find ne…

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=+find+the+meaning+of+a+joke+r...

Second result. The first is this post.

Re: Open-R1: an open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

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Post by diggan »

voidUpdate wrote: post #188
diggan wrote: post #176

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> But ChatGPT is just a glorified Wikipedia/Google It really isn't, unless something really majorly changed recently. Neither of those you can query for something you don't know about. Lets say you want to find the meaning of a joke related to cars, Spain, politicians and a fascist, how you'd use Wikipedia and Google to find the specific joke I'm thinking about? ChatGPT been really helpful (to me at least) to find ne…

Every time I ask chatgpt, I get a different answer. Copilot refused to answer me. Not sure LLMs are the answer you're looking for here

I just tried it myself with ChatGPT o1 and with Claude's Sonnet 3.5, Sonnet got it after two messages, o1 after 4.

If you're unable to reproduce, maybe tune the prompt a bit? I'm not sure what to tell you, all I can tell you that I'm able to figure out stuff a lot faster today than I was 2-3 years ago, thanks to LLMs.

Additional hints that might help; the joke involves a car and possibly a space program.

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